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You can read Mike Lewis’ hilarious full commentary HERE. The following is just but one joke:
The alternate magisterium
This is the problem we founded Where Peter Is to address. As I wrote in 2022, our original concern was not primarily the Latin Mass or the SSPX. It was the transformation of mainstream conservative Catholicism following the release of Amoris Laetitia. The dubia, the attacks on Francis’s teaching on the death penalty, the resistance to Fiducia Supplicans, and the constant denunciations of synodality gradually created an alternate magisterium and effectively rendered the primacy of the successor of Peter as worthless. Catholics who had once defined orthodoxy as fidelity to John Paul II and Benedict XVI learned to treat open resistance to Francis as normal.
Mike Lewis has a very long, long, and very wrong, wrong commentary on traditional Catholics where he denigrates the synodal process of listening, especially to Cardinals Mueller and Burke and others who have a right to speak and with authority even if it questions some aspects of certain papacies.
We saw that in plain daylight during the Vatican synodal meetings that not only were certain popes criticized but even the Deposit of Faith and Morals.
The paragraph above shows Mike Lewis is quite wet behind the ears and with extreme naive youthfulness—he’s really a know nothing, to say the least.
Prior to Pope Francis, and beginning in 1968 with St. Pope Paul VI’s Humanae Vitae, cardinals, other bishops, clergy and religious have questioned not only that but most other defined teachings of the Church to include obedience to the pope. The mantra was if you disagree with the pope follow your conscience and be an individual.
Disobedience to the Pope was put on steroids with the election of St. Pope John Paul II and later Pope Benedict. There was real hatred for them both from the heterodox left. Most will remember the Sister of Mercy and many other religous at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington when John Paul II visited there standing throughout his talk in protest of his magisterium and refusal to ordain women to Holy Orders.
Today, the greatest disobedience isn’t from those who question so many confusing and polarizing teachings of Pope Francis, like in Fiducia Supplicans and Amoris Laetitia, but those who reject outright Humanae Vitae, the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church that is clear that women can’t be ordained to Holy Orders, marriage can’t be redefined according the the LGBTQ+++ ideolgies in the Church and that any and all kinds of sexual relationships can be lived in God’s grace without repentance.
The Mike Lewis commentary would be a laughing stock if not so sad.
Sadly, Mike Lewis doesn’t know how to use AI technology on the internet to fill in the gaps of his complete ignorance on post-Vatican II questioning of popes, especially St. Pope Paul VI.
So I provide an AI summary for Mike Lewis:
- Cardinal Leo Jozef Suenens (Belgium): One of the most vocal critics among the hierarchy. He publicly questioned the encyclical and urged the pope to reconsider his position. [1, 2, 3, 4]
- The Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops: In September 1968, the Canadian bishops issued the famous Winnipeg Statement. While acknowledging the teaching, the bishops included a paragraph asserting that couples who sincerely tried but failed to follow the papal directives could still receive the sacraments in good conscience. [1, 2]
- The Austrian Bishops' Conference: The Austrian bishops issued a declaration emphasizing the primacy of individual conscience, noting that Catholics could disagree with the document because it was not an infallible teaching. [, 2]
- The Dutch Hierarchy (Netherlands): The Dutch bishops were among the most liberal in their response, openly criticizing the encyclical and defending the right of Catholics to follow their own formed consciences on the matter of birth control. [1, 2]
- The French and Scandinavian Bishops: Several national conferences released pastoral letters that were seen as "minimalist," heavily softening the blow of the encyclical by focusing on the rights of conscience and pastoral leniency rather than enforcing the ban on contraception. [1, 2, 3]
- Cardinal Patrick O'Boyle (Washington, D.C.): Interestingly, he was on the opposite end, acting as a strict enforcer of the encyclical. When 19 priests in his archdiocese publicly dissented from Humanae Vitae, Cardinal O'Boyle suspended them—a decision that was later contested by the Vatican. [1]
- And this challenge from Sister Kane to JPII in 1979:
Sister Theresa Kane, a Sister of Mercy, famously challenged Pope John Paul II in 1979 during his visit to the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C., advocating for the inclusion of women in all church ministries.
Sister Theresa Kane's Challenge to the Pope
Sister Theresa Kane's bold address marked a significant moment in church history.
- Historical Context — On October 7, 1979, Sister Kane welcomed Pope John Paul II and urged him to allow women to serve in all church roles.
- Public Reaction — Her remarks received both praise and criticism, with some viewing her challenge as impertinent.
- Legacy — Kane's advocacy for women's ordination has inspired many within the Catholic community to continue pushing for gender equality.
- Role in the Church — As a prominent member of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, she represented a progressive voice within the Catholic Church.
14 comments:
It seems like it's possible for both things to be true -- and for the same reason: Catholics should accept what your prior popes taught and accept what Pope Francis taught. That is, after all, what they're required to do - submit with docility.
You forgot the 11th Commandment: Use your head!
The argument seems to assume that there was no validity to anything before these people existed.
I have never used contraception. I embrace Humanae Vitae. I think Paul VI was a saint. What does any of that have to do with what I wrote?
There are plenty of people out there on the Catholic "right" who spend all day attacking threats from the "left".
What rarely gets addressed is the type of dissent and the attacks on the Magisterium that come from catholic Conservatives and Traditionalists.
The problems with the SSPX are doctrinal, primarily. Multiple popes and DDF prefects have said this. The Society exists because Marcel Lefebvre disagreed with the Magisterium on matters of doctrine. He carried out the Consecrations in 1988 because he wanted to perpetuate his doctrinal views in defiance of the institutional Church. The episcopal consecrations in 2026 were done for the same reason. And the SSPX approach to the Magisterium is identical to that of Cardinal Burke, or Father Chad Ripperger, or Edward Feser. The difference is only a matter of degree.
Surely you jest. You must have missed Father McDonald's long list of invectives Francis hurled at conservatives.
What I am questioning isn’t your personal faith or piety—it is your lack of critiquing the heterodoxy of the left which began after Vatican II and almost immediately afterwards. First of all the every ecumenical council prior to Vatican II was deemphasized as though Vatican II had created another, different Church, which it didn’t. But there were big guns, major theologians teaching this, like Hans Kung, Charles Curran and others of their academic caliber which was considerable. You think that criticism of popes only came when orthodox Catholics who were denigrated by Pope Francis with his name-making started it for the first time. No heterodox Catholics were doing this long before Pope Francis was elected. Perhaps you never read the NCR especially when they allowed comments on line? You are obsessed with the small number of faithful Catholics who simply want the Ancient Form of the Latin Mass and prefer the clarity of the Church in the areas of faith and morals. Heterodox leftist Catholics who hate the pope far outnumber orthodox Catholics who questioned Pope Francis and his polarizing papacy. Even Pope Leo recognizes the polarization Pope Francis created and he alone. That’s why we have in Pope Leo a no drama pope who has, thanks be to God, reversed several ill-advised policies of Pope Francis. The FSSPX are a blip on the radar screen compared to those who are using synodality to put forth and corrupt the Church with ideologies far from the ordinary and extraordinary magisterium of the Church. Many of these are cardinals and other bishops doing it from within unlike the SSPX who at least are honest about what they are doing and now are in schism. You should now treat them as you would any Protestant denomination of the Eastern Orthodox churches separated from the pope—meaning is a charitable way. Finally you shouldn’t denigrate Pope Benedict XVI and his marvelous way to liturgical and ecclesial peace with Summorum Pontificum. That is a part of his papal magisterium.
Bravo, Father McDonald!
"You are obsessed with the small number of faithful Catholics who simply want the Ancient Form of the Latin Mass..." The statements of the SSPX leadership make it clear that they, and those who defend them, want far more than the "ancient" for of the Latin mass.
If you think Pope Leo is a "no drama" pope, you haven't been paying attention. HIs dramatic calling out of Trump (and Hegseth and Vance) is dramatic AND powerful: "Jesus told us, blessed are the peacemakers. But woe to those who manipulate religion in the very name of God for their own military, economic or political gain, dragging that which is sacred into darkness and filth."
In that same vein, the USCCB called out Vance - dramatically - after Vance tried to school the pope about Catholic teaching. .
Trump wrote in a social media post in April that "Leo should get his act together as Pope, use Common Sense, stop catering to the Radical Left, and focus on being a Great Pope, not a Politician." In high drama - aboard a flight, the Pope responded: "Too many people are suffering in the world today," Pope Leo said on board the papal plane on Monday. "Too many innocent people are being killed, and I think someone has to stand up and say there's a better way to do this."'
"I am called to do what the church is called to do," Leo later added. "We're not politicians, we're not looking to make foreign policy, he calls it, with the same perspective that he might understand it. But I do believe that the mention of the Gospel, 'Blessed are the peacemakers,' is a message that the world needs to hear today."
Pope Leo, when critizicing Trump on his migrant policy, said he was preaching the Gospel. He cited Matthew 25..."I was a stranger and you welcomed Me." Pope Leo then said, "This is the Gospel." I beg to differ. The Gospel is simply: "Christ died for our sins and rose on the third day." It is about the redemption of a fallen world by the cross. Matt:25 is about how to live the Gospel. One is about redemption; the other living our the Christian life.
Why am I not surprised Mike Lewis has now determined that crypto-Lefebvrians are lurking in every shadow of a room where there is a person he disagrees with. It just looks sillier and sillier.
But at least he admits now that not all TLM attendees are bad Catholics with dangerous, heretical idea. I’m old enough to remember when he claimed, with as much evidence as I have for his just being a bitter, jilted once-USCCB employee who is now channeling his personal frustrations into making himself Lord High Chancellor of the Twitter Inquisition to declare the grave heresies of anyone to the ecclesial “right” of Jimmy Martin, that Charlotte’s diocesan TLMs were “filled to the brim” with schismatics so to defend what may be Bishop Martin’s greatest instance of pastoral malpractice (though there are many to choose from).
Nick
He also, as ever, misrepresents (or simply fails to comprehend, despite being repeatedly, painstakingly walked through it) the Feserian argument regarding the Catechism change in the death penalty. I would suspect calumny if I didn’t also suspect apparently-invincible ignorance.
Nick
The All Highest K ignores that over 1300 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens does Pope Leo mourn for them? When is Pope Leo going to welcome illegal aliens to the Vatican?
FRMJK, My comment was not about the FSSPX but those traditional Catholics in good standing who do not frequent any longer the FSSPX since they have become like the Eastern Orthodox, in complete schism with the pope.
All the other things you comment on are true about what Pope Leo has said, but he has said it clearly, concisely, and without any insults—no drama whatsoever. He’s simply being a “priestly, kingly and prophetic pope” which all Catholics share as we are all, as a result of God’s initiating us into the Church through Holy Baptism, priests, prophets and kings. Yes! We have a King, Jesus Christ and we are a kingly people! Praised be Jesus Christ the King, now and forever.
Fr. ALLAN McDonald - The Leo v Trump episode was high drama, no matter how you wish to downplay it. NPR, the BBC, TIME Magazine, CBS news, Newsweek, The Atlantic, NBC, The NYTimes, etc, all covered it. High drama, indeed.
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