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Wednesday, October 15, 2025

A GREAT RESPONSE TO MIKE LEWIS’ SCREED ABOUT THOSE WHO DESIRE THE TLM—LEWIS IS UNHINGED BUT MAKES SOME GOOD POINTS BUT OTHERWISE IS UNCHARITABLE AND TO BE CONDEMNED FOR IT


Dennis Knapp at the blog, “The Latin Ritehas a great, but way too long, commentary on Mike Lewis screed against all Catholics who love the TLM, faithful Catholics at that, as Cardinal Sarah in His Eminence great charity recently highlighted! Sarah is no Lewis and let us praise God for that!

Press the title to read the entire Knapp commentary. Below the title I have a couple of good money bytes but the entire article is well worth reading and bookmarking “The Latin Rite” is well recommended:

Beyond Performative Hand-Wringing: Response To Mike Lewis


What Lewis Gets Right

The Legitimate Core and Failure to Police Extremism

Lewis’s most powerful argument is that traditionalism has failed to police its own extremes. Rome’s restrictions were reactive because the Vatican’s patience had worn thin; the movement’s most visible spokesmen had become increasingly divisive.

This critique deserves honesty. Archbishop Viganò has descended into apocalyptic denunciations that no Catholic in good standing can defend. Other voices – Taylor Marshall and Peter Kwasniewski – command substantial platforms while routinely undermining papal authority and treating post-conciliar teaching with systematic suspicion. When figures like these define the movement’s public face, the question “Is this really fringe?” needs an answer.

Where Lewis’ Argument Fails

The Rhetorical Trap: Performative Hand-Wringing

The article goes too far. It transforms legitimate concern into a sweeping indictment through performative moralising. The author anticipates backlash: “I am already anticipating the trolling and personal attacks…” This is not a cautious aside but a narrative frame, casting him as a “truth-teller” confronting a “hostile mob.” Thus, any criticism becomes proof of his thesis.

It is a rhetorical trap. By predicting attacks, he inoculates himself against critique. If traditionalists respond with anger, it confirms they are unreasonable. If they respond calmly, he appears magnanimous. The logic is self-sealing, an intellectual sleight of hand that substitutes immunity for substance.

…A Better Way Forward

Responsibility runs both ways, though not equally. If Rome asks traditionalists to distance themselves from extremism, it must also protect those who remain loyal from collective punishment. At the same time, traditionalists bear a particular burden. They must demonstrate through word and deed that their movement is compatible with full communion.

This means, for traditionalists: actively cultivating voices that show both love for the ancient liturgy and fidelity to the living Magisterium; publicly rejecting conspiracy theories and figures who undermine papal authority; accepting Vatican II as legitimate and binding; demonstrating religious submission to papal teaching, even when it requires struggle; and recognizing that silence toward extremism risks complicity.

For the hierarchy, the responsibility is complementary: distinguishing between those who undermine communion and those seeking spiritual nourishment; acknowledging legitimate critique of post-conciliar failures; clarifying what submission to recent teaching entails; enhancing the beauty of the Novus Ordo; articulating a vision of unity that accommodates legitimate diversity; and providing pastoral accompaniment rather than restriction.

Both sides must rediscover the humility of the Church herself – semper reformanda, always purified by truth and charity. The situation is not symmetrical. Genuine reconciliation requires conversion on both sides, with the greater movement necessarily coming from those in resistance.


10 comments:

Nick said...

Agreed that the article is rather too long (so was Lewis', but anyway...). It's good to see someone address Lewis' incessant effeminate mewling that trads are "shooting the messenger" because he's "just laying the issues" without "spin."

No, Mike, they're responding to the fact that your writing on this issue constantly engages in negative spin, bad logic, and worse faith. Perhaps they're not responding in the best way, but they didn't start the shooting.

Nick

TJM said...

There is NO moral equivalence between the "left" and the "right" in the Catholic Church. The Right actually believes what the Church has historically taught and the Left rejects what the Church has historically taught. Based on the "logic" of Traditiones Custodes the Novus Ordo should be suppressed.

Nick said...

Based on TC, we can have no liturgy at all until we are perfect beings.

Nick

TJM said...

Father McDonald,

This is a MUST READ for you talking about the generational divide among priests on issues like the TLM. Of course, the old lefty priest who posts here fits into the herd mentality of his generation, as well as many bishops.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/study-sheds-light-on-generational

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/study-sheds-light-on-generational

big benny said...

“I am already anticipating the trolling and personal attacks…”

…like calling him effeminate!

TJM said...

well most men in England are effeminate

big benny said...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/13/world/europe/uk-abortion-farage.html?unlocked_article_code=1.tE8.decF.79I3sypeYlKL&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

More American influence in UK politics funding Nigel Farrage and the MBGA push (Make Britain Great Again)!

Nick said...

benny,

Thank you for exclaiming so clearly that you didn't read the article Fr. AJM linked, or my comment.

Nick

Mark Thomas said...

From the article in question;

"Lewis’s most powerful argument is that traditionalism has failed to police its own extremes...the movement’s most visible spokesmen had become increasingly divisive."

The TLM Movement was founded upon dissent...dissent of the Council, liturgical reform...

From Father Gommar de Pauw, to Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Williamson (requiescat in pace), New Catholic (Rorate Caeli), Michael Matt, Peter Kwasniewski, etc., the "movement’s most visible spokesmen" have been divisive and extreme from the beginning to date.

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From the article:

"Archbishop Viganò has descended into apocalyptic denunciations that no Catholic in good standing can defend. Other voices – Taylor Marshall and Peter Kwasniewski – command substantial platforms while routinely undermining papal authority and treating post-conciliar teaching with systematic suspicion.

"When figures like these define the movement’s public face, the question “Is this really fringe?” needs an answer."

I credit the article's author for having acknowledged that the TLM's leaders are major league problems and dissenters. That is more than certain folks here and elsewhere refused to have acknowledged.

For example: Trad Inc., as well, as its apologists, presents such radtrads as Peter Kwasniewski, Taylor Marshall, and Michael Matt, as reasonable, rational, level-headed trads.

It is preposterous to pretend that the TLM Movement is not plagued with serious problems. Fortunately, the article's author has the integrity to acknowledge that serious problems exist within Trad Inc.

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From the article:

"When the loudest voices are the most extreme, they define the movement.

"When the movement’s public face consistently promotes problematic views with minimal internal resistance, then this moderation becomes practically irrelevant to how the movement shapes Catholic life."

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From the article:

"The movement has failed to police its extremes. Its most visible voices often promote views incompatible with full communion.

"Until traditionalists answer the question “Do you accept the authority of Vatican II and the post-conciliar Magisterium?” with an unambiguous “yes”, not through clever equivocation but through genuine religious submission, the hierarchy’s concerns remain justified."

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The article's author delineated several points of contention that he has with Mike Lewis. But I respect the author for his having refused to whitewash the serious problems that plague the TLM Movement.

As the author noted, extremists represent the public face of the TLM Movement. "Traditionalists" who are not extremists suffer from that.

As Pope Leo XIV noted, one very beautiful, peaceful route for "traditionalists" to travel is to experience the Latin Church's liturgical tradition via the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.

But how many bishops are willing to allow access to that route...and what, if anything, will Pope Leo XIV do to ensure that the route in question is, and will remain, open?

Pax.

Mark Thomas

big benny said...

I did read the articles but agree more with Lewis although I’m open to finding a compromise solution to the liturgy wars.

Most English gents are effeminate, that’s a gross generalisation!