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In the last two or three years there have been three desecrations, the latest on Friday, October 10th and shown in the photo above where a man pulls down his pants and underwear and appears to me to want to urinate on the altar! I don’t think he got that far.
Then on two other occasions a man actually got on top of the altar, knocked all the tall candlesticks and crucifix off of it to include the altar clothes! The candlesticks and crucifix were damaged. Now there are only cheap, small candlesticks and crucifix placed on the altar, a liturgical kind of desecration of that high altar!
And of course, we all remember when Pope Francis, in the most arrogant way, placed the pacamamma plant on the main altar at the offertory, stunning the Master of Ceremonies, now Bishop Guido Marini.
With the three most recent desecrations, is there a way to stop it by Vatican security??????
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And of course, we all remember when Pope Francis, in the most arrogant way, placed the pacamamma plant on the main altar at the offertory, stunning the Master of Ceremonies, now Bishop Guido Marini.
That’s a really cheap low shot. These things are no way the same of equivalent.
The many (multitudes) but not all would beg to disagree with you.
You’re right, bb. They aren’t equivalent. The idol worship was much worse.
Very few would agree with you.
Although I don’t like flowers or plants placed on the Mensa of the altar (and are proscribed by the rubrics), they’re decoration not desecration.
It wasn’t a Pachamama plant as there’s no such thing. It was a plant native to the Amazon region placed on the altar in solidarity with the Amazonian people’s and the desecration of the pachammana statuette symbol of a pregnant Mary which was desecrated by trad extremists.
https://wherepeteris.com/pachamama-mother-of-god/#:~:text=Pope%20Francis%20has%20said%20there,statement%20has%20not%20been%20extensive.
Pope Francis has said there was no idolatry in the Vatican Gardens that day, but we have heard a considerable amount of commentary attempting to refute his claim. He also described the synod’s ‘pachamama’ statue as “a pregnant woman with her son in her womb”, but the commentary on this statement has not been extensive.
Pope Francis thinks ‘these people’, the Catholic indigenous natives of the Amazon, have something to teach us about the ‘pachamama’ statue. He has asked us, the ‘established church’, to listen to them. As preposterous as that may sound to those who have extensive education and teaching experience in Catholic theology and philosophy, to those who believe it is we who must teach them, the Catholic Amazonians may have knowledge and wisdom beyond what is only available in brick buildings.
A quick internet search reveals multiple Latin American ‘pachamama’ in varying shapes, sizes, colors, ethnicities, and descriptions. There is no ‘one size fits all’, but every spirituality, be it pagan or New Age, has their own version, yet none resemble the Pachamama displayed at the Pan-Amazon synod in Rome last month.
And a sixteenth century Catholic writer, an indigenous native of Peru, describes the “difficulty of explaining, with only language” his native religion within the context of the Christianity introduced by the Spanish missionaries. He necessitated the “use of images”. (3)
A Priest who had a private conversation with one of the Bishops participating in the Amazon synod shared the Bishop’s remarks with Catholic apologist, Dave Armstrong:
“Pachamama is clearly a Christian adoption of an Indigenous symbol, which follows the Church’s longstanding practice throughout her history of enculturating herself in different cultures by adopting the culture’s symbols and art forms. As such, he had no problem venerating Pachamama as a portrayal of the Blessed Mother, carrying the Divine Child in her womb, while in a posture of prayer.”
Pope Francis has given us the identity of Pachamama. He said she is the ‘Woman with her Son in her womb’ and he declared her “Our Lady, Queen of the Amazon” at the conclusion of the synod.
This is Franciscan theology, going back to Saint Francis himself, who praised God for, “Sister Earth, our Mother”, in his Canticle of Creation, on which Pope Francis based his Encyclical, Laudato Si. Is Pope Francis reviving the ‘Scotism vs Thomism’ debate on the Immaculate Conception which the Church has, thus far, settled only in part?
Our Lady, Queen of the Amazon.
Pray for us!
To be honest he looks drunk and unsteady rather than evil! 👿
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/09/world/video/pope-chicago-kids-vrtc
Glad to see Leo endorsed female cardinals in this American school’s mock conclave!
From the blog you quote:
Three sacrilegious acts that, before 2020, had never occurred in the history of St. Peter’s Basilica. That alone should suffice to show the gravity of a disastrous administration, which has dismantled the security structure and neglected the care of the most sacred site in Christendom.
…which is nonsense. I remember the same things happening under JP2’s time, they just didn’t get recorded by mobile phones and receive as much publicity.
Let’s also not forget the woman who managed to knock over Benedict during the entrance procession at midnight mass.
Sophia here: This is entirely to be expected given what Pope Francis not only allowed - but actually attended -a worship service honoring the pagan goddess Pachamama in the Vatican gardens in the vicinity of graves of martyrs - including St Peter’s! Then a few days later the idol was placed in front of the main altar then carried in a procession in which Pope Francis (RIP)took part! And yes Benny and everyone who has used the fallacious “seamless garment “ ideology as cover to vote for the party of death/ pro- abortion candidates , the Ten Commandments can never be a “ seamless garment “ ( nor can the Two Great Commandments for that matter) - idolatry is #1! So once that was allowed why not any and everything else? We need only look at what has occurred under Pope Leo to see that not much has changed! There was the LGBTQIA desecration of a Church in Rome followed by the Jubilee Pilgrimage through the Holy Doors and into St Peter’s Basilica! Then there was the Disney concert in Vatican Square, then there was pope Leo’s support for Cardinal Cupich’s “seamless garment” rationale for presenting Senator Durbin with a prestigious award!
Then there is the Pope Leo and USCCB active opposition to the removal of illegal immigrants - over 10.8 million ( 8.7 million at the Southern Border”) of whom had been encountered by Customs and Border Protection just during the 4 years of the Biden Administration! That’s why the characterization of this many unvetted immigrants as a mass invasion is not “too harsh”! It is preposterous that the Pope and the USSCCB would weigh in let alone as harshly as they have! Some Bishops have even joined the demonstrators! It is no wonder that some people with active memories are wondering whether the Pope’s and Bishops “ over the top “ support for illegal immigration ( obviously by definition, there is no issue with legal immigration so it’s curious/ deceptive that they insist on conflating the two) is not because of how much money they used to get to help with resettlement!
And for the record- as Pope Francis was -and now Pope Leo is- condemning Mr. Trump’s deportation policies, this is the new law re illegal entry into the Vatican City State- talk about harsh-you can’t make this up!
https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/vatican-cracks-down-on-illegal-entry-into-its-territory-4245
Bull. That is NOT Franciscan theology. Dun Scotus, Francis Mayrones, Junipero Serra, Dominic Unger, Maximillian Kolbe, Juniper Carol and Peter Damian Fehlner would not agree with your assertion here. Comparing the pachamama bs to the debates over the Immaculate Conception shows you do not understand what that debate was about.
Sophia here: Solidly orthodox Catechesis by the “Papal Posse”,
Canon Lawyer , Fr.Gerald Murray, Diocese of NY, Robert Royal, “ The Catholic Thing”, and Raymond Arroyo, re “Dilexi Te” begun by Pope Francis and completed by Pope Leo in continuity with him! They cover allied topics also- just as clearly and obviously just as accurately accurately!
https://youtu.be/J5k5w1uZi1g
Sophia,
During an appearance on comedian Tim Dillon’s podcast, “The Tim Dillon Show,” Greene was unapologetic in critiquing Trump’s ICE raids — some of which notably left “nearly naked” children zip-tied and separated from their parents earlier this month in Chicago.
Nope nothing to be ashamed of here!
Big Benny and Sophia,
Sophia: you mention idolatry. This reminded me of the several occasions on which Pope Benedict addressed the subject of idolatry. For example, before we argue about specific issues like abortion, capital punishment, and immigration, perhaps we would all do well (that is, everyone on the political continuum from Left to Right, myself included) to recall and reflect on Pope Benedict’s words in a September 2008 homily regarding the different forms of idolatry, by which we are all tempted:
“This appeal to shun idols, dear brothers and sisters, is also pertinent today. Has not our modern world created its own idols? Has it not imitated, perhaps inadvertently, the pagans of antiquity, by diverting man from his true end, from the joy of living eternally with God? This is a question that all people, if they are honest with themselves, cannot help but ask. What is important in my life? What is my first priority? The word “idol” comes from the Greek and means “image”, “figure”, “representation”, but also “ghost”, “phantom”, “vain appearance”. An idol is a delusion, for it turns its worshipper away from reality and places him in the kingdom of mere appearances. Now, is this not a temptation in our own day – the only one we can act upon effectively? The temptation to idolize a past that no longer exists, forgetting its shortcomings; the temptation to idolize a future which does not yet exist, in the belief that, by his efforts alone, man can bring about the kingdom of eternal joy on earth! Saint Paul explains to the Colossians that insatiable greed is a form of idolatry (cf. 3:5), and he reminds his disciple Timothy that love of money is the root of all evil. By yielding to it, he explains, “some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs” (1 Tim 6:10). Have not money, the thirst for possessions, for power and even for knowledge, diverted man from his true Destiny, from the truth about himself? . . .
Saint John Chrysostom observes that Saint Paul severely condemns idolatry, which is a “grave fault”, a “scandal”, a real “plague” (Homily 24 on the First Letter to the Corinthians). He immediately adds that this radical condemnation of idolatry is never a personal condemnation of the idolater. In our judgements, must we never confuse the sin, which is unacceptable, with the sinner, the state of whose conscience we cannot judge and who, in any case, is always capable of conversion and forgiveness. . . .
To raise the cup of salvation and call on the name of the Lord, is that not the very best way of “shunning idols”, as Saint Paul asks us to do? Every time the Mass is celebrated, every time Christ makes himself sacramentally present in his Church, the work of our salvation is accomplished. Hence to celebrate the Eucharist means to recognize that God alone has the power to grant us the fullness of joy and teach us true values, eternal values that will never pass away. God is present on the altar, but he is also present on the altar of our heart when, as we receive communion, we receive him in the sacrament of the Eucharist. He alone teaches us to shun idols, the illusions of our minds.”
See https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/homilies/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20080913_parigi-esplanade.html
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Again, in June 2011, after describing the “contest’ between Elijah and the priests of Baal, Pope Benedict stated:
“Dear brothers and sisters, what does this history of the past tell us? What is the present of this history? First of all the priority of the first Commandment is called into question: worship God alone. Whenever God disappears, man falls into the slavery of idolatry, as the totalitarian regimes demonstrated in our time, and as the various forms of nihilism that make man dependent on idols, on idolatry, also demonstrate; they enslave him. . . . True worship of God, therefore, is giving oneself to God and to men and women, true worship is love. And true worship of God does not destroy but renews, transforms. Of course, the fire of God, the fire of love burns, transforms, purifies, but in this very way does not destroy but rather creates the truth of our being, recreates our heart. And thus, truly alive through the grace of the fire of the Holy Spirit, of love of God, we are worshippers in spirit and in truth.”
See https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/audiences/2011/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20110615.html
Mark J.
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