Thursday, February 2, 2017


Again, there are stunning implications about how individuals and ecclesial movements must accept the Second Vatican Council when Pope Francis accompanies and reintegrates the SSPX into full canonical status of the Church.

As we know from the past 50 years, progressives have been the most radical FUNDAMENTALISTS and LITERALISTS, in shoving their ideology and spirit of Vatican 🇻🇦 II warped theology, in the most authoritarian way, down the throats of FAITHFUL CATHOLICS!

When one reads liberal liturgical blogs like PRAYTELL, which is a caricature of these PROGRESSIVE FUNDAMENTALISTS I describe above, falsely and malicious portray Catholics who prefer the EF Mass and pre-Vatican II reverence and piety as rejecting Vatican 🇻🇦 II as though Vatican II is God and infallible in its revisions of the Church, one sees how malicious this erroneous mentality is! Thus traditionalists are marginalized for believing and practicing their Catholic Faith as at least 16 Centuries of Catholics have done!


Is a signing [of an agreement] close? "It is not a question of calendar," but of "full development of the dossier," the main players insist. Nevertheless, two symbolic dates are mentioned in Rome: July 7, 2017, tenth anniversary of Benedict XVI's motu proprio that reestablished the Mass according to the 1962 Missal, called the Latin Mass, as well as Extraordinary rite [sic] in the Catholic Church. Or May 13, 2017, centenary of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima in Portugal. Pope Francis will be, on the latter day, on a pilgrimage [to Fatima].
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Mark Thomas said...

With Father McDonald's permission...

Part 1 of 2

Here is a Google translation of the full Le Figaro article that Rorate Caeli excerpted:

Jean-Marie Guénois

Le Figaro / 2 February 2017

Lefebvrists get closer to Rome,

by Jean-Marie Guénois - 1 February 2017

Against all odds, the pastoral approach of Pope Francis unblocked the situation between the Vatican and the Fraternity of Saint Pius X.

"It only takes a" stamp "to conclude an agreement." It took this short phrase of Bishop Bernard Fellay , interviewed on January 29 on the Internet TV channelLibertés to suggest that the Vatican and the priestly Fraternity Saint Pius X Were close to signing a historic accord of reconciliation after a breakdown of almost three decades.

Except that the successor of Bishop Marcel Lefebvre had added to the conclusion of this interview a clarification that was not necessarily heard. He would accept in exchange for the "clear affirmation" of the Holy See that "guarantees" for the autonomy of the life of the Society of Saint Pius X be "respected".

Interviewed by Le Figaro , Bishop Fellay confirms that "things are progressing" with a view to a rapprochement with Rome but that "elements are still missing".

He said: "Mgr Marcel Lefebvre, our founder, posited as a condition" sine qua non "to any agreement, that we are received, in the Church, as we are: namely, as Catholic priests who live according to The ecclesiastical discipline which was in force before the Second Vatican Council. "

Le Figaro has learned that this pastoral autonomy, which would allow the 613 priests, 117 brothers, 80 Oblates and 215 seminarians of this fraternity to live as before the Second Vatican Council, went far beyond the theoretical stage.

The Ecclesia Dei Commission, entrusted by the Holy See with managing relations with the Society of Saint Pius X, is finalizing a specific legal formula that will effectively allow for this expected autonomy.

"Before submitting the final draft to the Holy Father," says a very authoritative source, "we are in the process of checking various canonical points which will preserve the specific identity of the Society of Saint Pius X within the legal framework of a prelature Personal development. "

The idea of ​​creating a personal prelature for the Society of St. Pius X is not new. It has been in the air for a long time, inspired by the only existing model, the Opus Dei (2015 priests), which enjoys this status.

Its main advantage is to develop a pastoral care all over the world without referring to the local bishops but directly to the Pope, through a "prelate", the superior general.


Mark Thomas

"...whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope."

— Pope Saint Pius X, 1912 A.D.

Mark Thomas said...

With Father McDonald's permission...

Part 2 of 2

Questioned by Le Figaro , Bishop Fellay confirms that this project of prelature is not a fiction. And that this formula "suits well" to the Fraternity for which he is in charge.

What then is lacking so that the agreement dreamed by Pope Benedict XVI , who had personally involved himself without succeeding, can this time succeed? What is more, under the pontificate of Pope Francis ...

Bishop Fellay does not hide his perplexity as such. He considers in this same televised interview that the situation of the Church is " so serious that some bishops and cardinals feel, in conscience, to say" that is enough " .

While pointing out to the Figaro : "Accepting an agreement with Rome - and in spite of everything that happens and that defeats many people - does not mean that the Fraternity ranks ..."

In fact, and contrary to all expectations, it was rather Rome that changed under the influence of Pope Francis with regard to the Society of Saint Pius X, while it did not move an iota.

It so happens that Cardinal Bergoglio when he was in Argentina never had to complain about the pastoral work of the Lefebvrists on the ground. Thanks to this experience, for example, he granted the priests of the Fraternity last year the possibility of confessing - like any Catholic priest - at the Jubilee of Mercy. Measure that François, in pastor of field, perennial end at the end of 2016 .

Benedict XVI, Pope theologian, had submitted the reconciliation with the Society of Saint Pius X to a scrupulous theological confrontation about the Second Vatican Council. But it was then a vast misunderstanding that was consecrated ... Today, in pragmatics, Francis considers that such theological disagreements can coexist in the Church without harming the communion.

Three conditions

As a result, a very authoritative source on this issue in Rome assures: "It is no longer a matter of accepting or refusing the Vatican Council as a whole but of reading it in the light of the perennial tradition and within the framework of the constant magisterium .

Indeed, certain pastoral aspects of the Second Vatican Council are not matters of faith. They may be discussed - including after sealing an agreement - such as ecumenism, interreligious dialogue, liturgy which are challenged by the Society of Saint Pius X.

The recognition of the catholicity of a work depends more on three other factors. That she admits the Catholic Creed, the validity of the sacraments and that it is in communion with the Pope. "Three conditions that do not make difficult the Brotherhood of Saint Pius X, according to Bishop Fellay.

Is a signature close? "It is not a question of timing" but "maturity of the file", insist the protagonists.

Two symbolic dates, however, circulated in Rome: on July 7, 2017, the tenth anniversary of the motu proprio of Benedict XVI, who re-established Mass according to the 1962 missal , known as the Mass in Latin, as an extraordinary rite in the Catholic Church.

Or May 13, 2017, centenary of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima in Portugal. On that day, Pope Francis will be there on pilgrimage.


Mark Thomas

"...whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope."

— Pope Saint Pius X, 1912 A.D.