Wednesday, June 4, 2014

COULD IT EVER BECOME ILLEGAL TO CALL THOSE WITH SAME SEX ATTRACTIONS TO CHASTITY?

Who are we to judge if a Catholic with same sex attractions who is sincerely striving to follow the Lord as the Catholic Church teaches and fully accepts the Church's teaching on sexuality and chastity as well as marriage? This is basically what Pope Francis said about Catholic priests who might have same sex attractions although the liberal media and those with agendas against the Catholic Church's sure and certain truths quote the Holy Father out of context to undermine the Church and her teachings.

So should the Catholic Church hire someone for a position as a music director or teacher or pastoral worker who has same sex attractions? Certainly if that person is qualified and can uphold the Church's teachings in all the areas of Church teaching including sexual morality. If the person is not a Catholic, and we hire many non Catholics for church work, that person should understand what the Church teaches and in no way compromise it in any public way. I have found our Protestant and Jewish teachers over the years to be exemplary in this and quite respectful even when they don't accept many points of Catholic teachings on a variety of areas.

But the chilling fact is that there are some countries that would consider the following video which I posted previously to be illegal. One can't even call a person with same sex attractions to chastity, meaning to change their way of life and to conform to the Gospel as the Catholic Church teaches it in truth and in love. That is chilling and I think possible in Great Britain and Canada and other places of the world.  Will it happen here? I think it could and it might!

The Third Way from Blackstone Films on Vimeo.

Do you think that this film could be banned in America?

10 comments:

Gene said...

I think all gay couples should live in chastity until they are married…LOL! LOL! You are dreaming...

Anonymous said...

Do I think the video could be banned in the United States?

Yes. It has become very clear that those on the liberal/modernist side of the aisle are intolerant of opposite points of view. They will stop at nothing to advance their ideology even if it means stripping people and the Church of their freedom to follow their conscience. And the sooner the Catholic hierarchy gets over their ridiculous desire to be lauded by the liberal elite the better.

Anonymous said...

This video is a clear expression of the Church's teaching regarding homosexuality. It is very merciful, clear, charitable, educational etc. THIS is how Pope Francis should be teaching the Faith. He needs to stop throwing these verbal grenades that cause confusion and destruction.

Ok, let's give Francis the benefit of the doubt with regard to his "who am I to judge" statement. But when he saw that it was wildly being taken out of context, worldwide, and being using to endorse sinful behavior......did he not have, as a matter of Justice, the duty to clarify himself. He should have made himself 100% clear on his meaning. Just saying "I believe what the CCC teaches" isn't enough. Yes, by all means show the mercy of God to the world but do it in a way that does not compromise the truth of what the Church or the Gospels teach. That's all I'm asking. If he wants to wash women's feet during the Mass of Holy Thursday, fine. But he needs to use your authority to change the Church's law but DON'T violate it. That's all I'm asking. Why can't he do that?

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

There is no need to give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt because when he said "Who am I to judge" in the very same paragraph or two he qualifies it and qualifies it as this video does. I sill can't believe that Catholics have not read the full statement of the pope on the plane and what he said which one sentence was reported by the liberal media and neo-conservative Catholics to undermine him. Shocking.

WSquared said...

did he not have, as a matter of Justice, the duty to clarify himself.

He DID. It's not his fault if some people, including professed Catholics, can't be bothered to listen and can't be bothered to actually seek out the interview in full to see what he actually said. It's on YouTube, for the love of God.

Do you honestly think that any one person can completely control what anyone else says or does not say about him/her? It didn't even happen with Jesus Christ (else we wouldn't have Deepak Chopra's or Reza Aslan's guru or zealot "Jesus"). Why does anyone expect that it would be the case with Pope Francis? Then, there's the thing that Christ said about how no servant is higher than his master.

It should've occurred to all Catholics by now that whatever the secular media throws down should be taken with a big, fat grain of salt, preferably even a pinch. We should also know that if Jesus is Who He says He is, and the Church is His Mystical Body, then we will also learn to discern more confidently and creatively, which does mean thinking with the Church.

I sill can't believe that Catholics have not read the full statement of the pope on the plane and what he said which one sentence was reported by the liberal media and neo-conservative Catholics to undermine him. Shocking.

Same here.

Deciding to stop thoughtlessly picking up what both the culture and certain Catholics throw down about the Catholic Church is a matter of justice, too, to say nothing of truth and charity.

Anonymous 2 said...

This may be a good time to remind everyone that in the August 2013 interview with Father Spadoro, Pope Francis clarified these earlier remarks on the plane and spoke in more general terms than just homosexuals in the priesthood. According to Father Spadoro:

“We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner,” the pope says, “preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our preaching, every kind of disease and wound. In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.

“A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy. When that happens, the Holy Spirit inspires the priest to say the right thing.”

Of course, to understand these words fully, they too must be situated in the context of the entire section of that interview (The Church as Field Hospital) and indeed of the whole interview. Here again is the link:

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview





Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

A2--it isn't the person who is a homosexual or has fallen into promiscuity or whatever, it is telling the Church that there is no such thing as a sin when it comes to homosexual sex and then to publicly declare this in a civil union that the state calls marriage. God loves adulterers but does that mean that the Church must not invite the adulterer to the field hospital that is the Church and to her most important sacrament of healing of which there are two (penance and anointing of the sick). That is what we are being told by homosexuals engaging in sexual relationships, don't make us go to confession and don't tell us we are sick and need a hospital. This is the damnable thing of the gay lobby and it has infected so many Catholics who otherwise would be of good will.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Let me add, there are many gay Catholics who are in committed relationships that are good and healthy. Some though, as in heterosexual relationships and even marriage are not healthy. From the pastoral perspective it is the lesser of evils to be in a committed relationship and to be so for a lifetime. With time that relationship could become chaste--there is not sin in loving a person of the same sex and caring for them.
If a gay couple sought a civil union for legal reasons of money, other reasons, then that is there business. Don't call it marriage though. And if there is a public commitment to be in a sexual relationship refrain from Holy Communion just as Catholics who are divorced and remarried must. Keep coming to Church though.

Anonymous 2 said...

Father McDonald:

I think you may have misunderstood the intent of my post. It was simply to remind us that Pope Francis had clarified and extended the remarks on the plane in the later Spadoro interview. For the rest, please see my post of 1:47 a.m. and 1:48 a.m. on June 2 on the thread “The Real Bullies” started on May 31.

Gene said...

I personally believe that people should be allowed to marry the domestic animal of their choice.