Sunday, February 26, 2012

HAS PRESIDENT OBAMA DIVIDED AND CONQUERED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OR WAS IT THE "sPIRIT" OF VATICAN II CATHOLICS WHO DID IT FOR HIM?

President Obama and others, most likely on his direct orders, are tripping over themselves apologizing to Muslims for burning their Koran. I have no problem with that kind of apology. The problem I have is with their hypocritical motives.

Ever since President Obama came into office he has been taking advantage of what "spirit" of Vatican II Catholics have done to the Church; he has exploited their desire to divide and conquer the true Catholic faith. Therefore he chooses men and women for his administration who profess to be Catholic but are nothing more than shrills for Planned Parenthood and the liberal wing of the democrat party.

Then he befriends Sister Carol Keenan, DC, the president of the Catholic Medical Association and with sweet rhetoric, which he is good at, seduces her, not once but twice.

Then he accepts an invitation to speak at the University of Notre Dame and sweet talks its priest-president, Father David Jenkins and he too gets all mushy and teary eyed and is seduced too.

Then President Obama with the help of his cronies burns the faith and morals of the Catholic Church right in front of these cronies' eyes and to them the smoke of it is like sweet smelling incense, prayer rising before their so-called Vatican II god to appease him/her unto eternity.

There is absolutely no apology to faithful Catholics who respect their Church, respect the Magisterium and respect Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, Natural and Divine Law not to mention the faith, morals and canon laws of the Church! There is no apology for those who actually accept the authority of Vatican II and not some cynical perversion of it!

But worse yet for each and every American, with the help of dissident "spirit" of Vatican II Catholics, President Obama has burned the First Amendment rights of each and every one of us and he does so with a smile on his face and those who worship him are absolutely appalled that anyone would suggest that he has done such a thing. Hold your breath for an apology unless of course the polls suggest that he's going down the tubes politically. Only faithful Catholics and Protestant Evangelicals can help that to happen as well as atheists and agnostics who appreciate First Amendment rights!

The false god and true demagogue, President Obama, is worshiped by Catholics who prefer this type of Mass:
The true God who puts all demagogues in their places is worshiped by Catholics who prefer this type of Mass:
SAVE THE LITURGY, SAVE THE WORLD (OF COURSE THE LITURGY PROPERLY AND REVERENTLY CELEBRATED IS GOD'S WAY OF MAKING US A PART OF HIM AND THUS WE ASSIST IN THAT SUPERNATURAL GIFT BY SAVING THE LITURGY).

Speaking of "dividing and conquering" read this and weep by pressing these sentences. And where are the bishops in condemning these so-called women religious in no uncertain terms and revoking their status as women religious? I mean, really, it is only a handful of them left, but waiting for nature to take its course with all the new medicines that keep us going almost to 100 isn't the solution.

18 comments:

pinanv525 said...

Montanism is alive and well and living in the NO.

Jenny said...

Yes, and then there is THIS!:
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=13453
The "smoke of Satan" lives, multiplies and wishes to conquer within Holy Mother Church...

Jenny said...

And, I think, this will resonate with you as well, particularly the last line:

http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2012/02/clerical-narcissism-and-lent

Anonymous said...

In many ways, he may doing us a huge favour.

rcg

Marc said...

Without the advent of the Novus Ordo Mass of Paul VI, many of these people would be Episcopalians by now. The Protestantized Mass leads to Protestantized Catholics. Sure, you can spruce up the Novus Ordo as much as you like now (and you, Father McDonald are on track in that regard), but most of the damage has been done. The very fact that you (or any individual priest) can change this or that to make it "low" or "high" is part of the problem. In the minds of many that equates to their being able to change the Faith to make it "low" or "high" to suit their needs and pre-existing beliefs.

The Novus Ordo isn't the entire problem, but turning away from it (at least the way it is celebrated in most places - not St. Joseph) is the whole answer.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Marc, in pre-Vatican II times (1950's) there was a quiet, but brewing anger amongst Catholics who were getting better educated about the "authoritarianism" they experienced in Catholic parishes and schools. Keep in mind, my parents generation (my mother is 92 and my father would be 102) usually did not even finish high school let alone college. I was the first to graduate from college in my family.
But there was a horrible paternalism mixed with clericalism that made many Catholics angry. Vatican II was a breath of fresh air for educated laity. Unfortunately Vatican II occurred in the midst of a cultural world wide revolution toward authority, toward sex and toward drugs. We had the hippie movement and the drop out movement and the peace niks and Watergate and police being called pigs and a general hatred for law and order. The Church tried to combat the more anarchist of attitudes by promoting peace and love and letting people be themselves. This may well have saved the Church of that period. Flexibility was the key word. This applied to authority and the Mass and its renewal.
I'm not saying that major mistakes weren't made in the implementation of Pope Paul's revision of the Mass and that the Holy Father could have been more forceful, but what happened in 1968 with Humanae Vitae--because of the sexual revolution, scientific development of the pill, etc, there was outright rebellion against the pope's authority--the hierarchy did not act as dictators from Communist Russia or Germany, but allowed for dissent to keep dissenters in.

It is not just the revised Mass that caused a certain generation that is my age and older (like Pelosi, Biden and Sebelious) to be like they are, but authority issues, worshiping now false gods of secularism and their children not having been catechized properly--that's our failure.
It's not the Mass entirely, but there are some things that need to be tightened up. My opinion is the following:
1. stricter guidelines concerning art, architecture and the orientation of the sanctuary, as well as for music.
2. The Benedictine altar arrangement or ad orientem, either one or both
3. Better catechesis
4. Communion kneeling and by intinction, thus lessening the need of Extraoridnary Ministes of Holy Communion who should only be installed acolytes.

But we must also recognize the need for community that we should not swing the pendulum so far back to the vertical that we forget the horizontal--not everyone is a introvert in the Church and many need community and a friendly experience at Mass.

Bill Meyer said...

Father, huge mistakes were made, and despite the new Missal, we continue to be burdened with willful ad libs from priests who seem to believe they know better than Rome.

Certainly I can offer it up, but I must say, it is wearing on me to have always to exercise charity toward those who persist in not fully supporting the Church which ordained them.

Today, with an "interim administrator" in place (our Pastor is at the Mayo) and "presiding", we were treated to numerous ad libs in the Eucharistic Prayer I for Masses of Reconciliation. I'm sure the SoV2 folks were delighted.

Anonymous said...

Fr, you are right, of course, about the resentment in the Pre-VII days. It is interesting how the say class of people are leading the counter reformation. To some degree it may be a Catholic form of antidisestablishmentarianism, or the simple contrariness of human nature. But in many ways I do feel an educated, catechised, laity are invaluable to the Church. I must confess that I was content to allow the clergy to lead where they will for many years. Perhaps my faith in the class was inappropriate when I could have, or even should have, asked questions. But there is an advantage in this unhappy position that our vision of our goal is more clear, and not lost in proximity.

If I have a dream of what I would want for the Catholic community it is of an identifiable group who happily enhance each other's gifts without resentment and reap the windfalls. This would be one form of proof the world desires to see proof of the gifts of a loving God. In reading up on Montanism I noticed they had an almost perverted desire for martyrdom. This is evident in many of the spirit of VII people with their misunderstanding, maybe even misidentification, of poverty. It is a cheap way to heaven, the indulgence. As with the false hope of contraception, it does not address the root of the problem and in fact supports it.

rcg

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Thanks RCG for your comments. I really want people to know that it was not perfect prior to Vatican II and that the seeds of sexual abuse, clericalism in the priesthood and most especially amongst bishops, meaning no accountability except to their own little club, contributed to much of the dissent we saw after Vatican II and to the sexual abuse crisis that could only have gone on the way it did prior to being brought to light through the secrecy of the clerical club of priests and bishops accountable to no one. Now there is accountability to the press and the law, and to the laity and that is good.
The only reason why I would like to see the mass celebrated ad orientem and with less emphasis on the priest and the community is that a new clericalism has arisen with all the flexibility and this too is fashioned on the cult of the personality of either the priest of the worshiping community. I think that the current missal ad orientem and with the priest and laity saying the black and doing the red would go a long way in bringing about mature obedience to authority and good order in the Church and unity.

Bill Meyer said...

After reading the article in the St. Louis Review, I shall not weep. Truly, I expect no better from the LCWR. On the other hand, I am greatly encouraged by the article, and the letter about which it was written.

Bill Meyer said...

Father, I have read enough about the experimentation in this country in the 1950s and even before to be sure your comments are correct. However, what was done was certainly a rupture, if not a rape, of tradition.

Mass today, celebrated by our interim administrator, was disturbing for the presence of many ad libs. To be fair, the priest is retired, and is with us only until our pastor recovers from the maladies which have put him at the Mayo. Even so, and with all the charity I can muster, I think this priest exemplifies many of the worst results of the post-Conciliar attitudes.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

There is a new and insidious form of clericalism after Vatican II which you, William have made clear by this weekend's Mass--these things need to be stopped. I agree.

Bill Meyer said...

Father, it is precisely that form of clericalism about which I would weep. it is a disservice to the faithful, and to the Church.

Even worse, however, is the continuing damage done by the liturgists, theologians, and directors of religious education who fail to teach the Catechism, and who promote the notion that Church teachings could be swayed by the laity.

Bill Meyer said...

...lately, it occurred to me that I could indulge in my own form of dissidence: giving away to new RCIA students copies of the Catechism (at today's price on Amazon, $7.99 each in hardcover.)

The DRE would be livid, but if I were to offer them outside her classroom, what could she say? Of course, it would be even better if I could persuade one of our priests to accompany me and offer them inside the classroom. ;)

Richard said...

Father; Enjoy your blog. Question about the high altar in your church. It appears that there are two empty niches on either side of the retable with yellow cloth as a backdrop. What gives? I was dumbfounded when I saw the outside of your church. What a beauty. Any other outside pictures?

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

The photo is from the Easter season with decorative cloth on it, but there are two empty niches on the reredos which I presume are for candelabra which were placed there in the past but the soot from the candles terribly blackens the marble directly above so we no longer place any there and these look odd with the six candlesticks. You can google St. Joseph Macon for images and you should get a few from the outside.

Anonymous said...

Re: liturgies that leave much to be desired.... A holy priest, a missionary I once knew told me that whenever the homily or rite left much to be desired, I ought to focus on consoling the Sacred heart of Jesus more than on my own outrage or upset over a lack of decorum or dissent. It helps put our minds back on who is important. Not to then do nothing, but to make sure what I do is done from a place of sincere worship of Jesus, from a place of hurt disciple who simply wants to keep faith with the saints and martys of all time rather than from a place of pique or argument about taste or opinion.

Jack Reylan said...

If securities rules applied to research grants, half the professulas would be in jail! Professulas, trial lawyers and union organizers are Obama's core constituencies. Universities, libraries, museums and other public beneficiaries extort their patrons to lobby on their behalf with taxpayer resources. They even encourage students to max out their loans and invest the proceeds so the school can up its total. Obama learned when he worked for Don Kent at tuition-funded Arms Race Alternatives, while denying admission to Young Americans for Freedom and the Social Democrats. Ted Markowitz used the Xerox 9700 to make fliers for the 1982 June 12th nuclear freezers, but persecuted students for smaller infractions. They destroyed a supply side hero like Jeff Bell! "UPI June 6, 1992 Sovern took over at Columbia after student protests of 1968 and New York's fiscal problems in the '70s resulted in less financial support for the school, a situation made more dire by recent federal government budget cuts. . . But Columbia will be looking for a new president in a period troubled by criticism for destroying records that were being reviewed for improprieties. Universities in general have been under greater scrutiny for how they charge the government for federally sponsored research." When Obama falls in 2010, we should go through the grant-grubbing Ivy Leagues with a flame thrower! Ivy League universities are not good at getting students jobs, only grants to be commie nutty organizers. If you are liberal, anything you do is inherently ethical for the cause, but if you are a conservative, and believe in GOD, family or business, your very moral fiber, even down to trivial autonomic responses, is subject to persecution as either dangerously criminal or the result of clinical illness. Bush 43 had two Ivy degrees and they treated him as stupid because he was conservative even though he had better grades and entrance scores and took a lot tougher courses than Gore. Professors are the ultimate molestor high priests because they extort and control your transcripts and your grants if you turn them in. Like a cult, they will make your children denounce you and everything you stand for as unworthy. The lowest level university bureaucrats offer the worst affectations. No business ever trusts such left wing graduates who don't believe in capitalism and become crooks because they are taught the only way business makes money is crooked so they seek to avenge their unemployability through their own crookedness. The universities consider real jobs and competition beneath them, so they want their little sissies to live off grants, even in the hard sciences or business. How many of their engineering professors have Professional Engineering certification? Almost none! They love foreign students who slave up and don't expect professors to actually work for the tuition, like Americans do. (Surely You Are Joking Feynman p 215 "If I ask you a question during the lecture, afterwards everybody will be telling me, 'What are you wasting our time for in the class? We're trying to learn something. And you're stopping him by asking a question'." ) No middle class parent should consider sending their kids there, because these schools will destroy your entire family. See Zac Bissonnette's Debt-Free U. In his 2010 book on universities (p35) Columbia provost Jonathan Cole brags that undergarduates and their parents are suckers who fund the platform from which professulas can then rape taxpayers with grants. This is why they created Obama - to rape the taxpayer. It is high time to force the professulas to only have corporate support for their research, then we wouldn't be gouged like global warming and nuclear winter.