YIKES!

 

Fr. Pablo Migone is yet another blogging priest of our diocese, the chancellor and vocation director. Like all the good priests in our diocese, he is also from Augusta. In fact, Augusta has produced more vocations than any city or community in our diocese including the largest Catholic city, the see city, Savannah. And yes, that Savannah produces almost no vocations to the priesthood is a scandal. 

But I digress. The story Fr. Pablo tells is shocking. I asked on his blog about Eclessia Supplet and if it would apply in this situation at least for his parishioner for whom he might have Confirmed, the Masses he celebrated, the Confessions he heard and the Anointings of the sick he celebrated. I would say that his baptisms and marriages are valid. 

But is also begs the question, why not annul the “priesthood” of those who had major, nullifying impediments at the time of their ordination, such as how marriages are annulled. For example, if a man is a pedophile at the time of his ordination, would that not be invalidating? Or if the man had no intention of being a faithful priest and in fact did not believe anything the Catholic Church teaches, shouldn’t his ordination be declared invalid after a Canonical trial? Just wondering.

Here is Fr. Pablo’s essay. It’s quite shocking and interesting, fascinating at the same time:

Invalid baptism, invalid ordination of Detroit Father Hood

A priest of the Archdiocese of Detroit recently learned that the deacon who baptized him many years ago did not say the correct words when performing the sacrament.  Since baptism is necessary to receive all the other sacraments of the Church, Father Matthew Hood had not only been invalidly baptized, but every single sacrament he received, including Holy Orders, were suddenly rendered invalid.

My sacramental theology professor posited this scenario in class while I was in seminary.  He said, “imagine a bishop somehow finds out he was invalidly baptized while enjoying some appetizers at a cocktail party.  In his dismay he chokes and is actively dying.  Do you perform the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick or do you baptize him?”  The underlying teaching of this extreme and unlikely scenario has become true for Father Hood.  It would be necessary to baptize the dying bishop.

A letter from Archibishop Vigneron of Detroit recently published states that “Father Hood immediately contacted the Archdiocese and the proper steps were taken to remedy his situation. He was recently validly baptized. Furthermore, since other sacraments cannot be validly received in the soul without valid baptism, Father Hood also was recently validly confirmed and validly ordained a transitional deacon and then a priest.”

For many, this may appear legalistic and unnecessary.  When Rome recently published a document stressing that when performing a baptism, the minister must say, “I baptize you in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” rather than “we baptize you…”, some deemed it somewhat ridiculous.

The Church takes what she teaches and does seriously.  Baptism is not some kind of magic trick, but the Church is very precise in her rites.  It is a way to ensure that things are done in a uniform manner and no abuses take place.  Furthermore, the Church recognizes that she has the authority to determine what the various formulae are for the celebration of sacraments.

A question remains: what about the many sacraments Father Hood celebrated during the past three years?  The Archdiocese is working with the parishes where Father Hood was assigned so that “each individual’s circumstance may be examined and rectified.”

A moment like this however serves as a reminder, as Archbishop Vigneron states, that “God has bound Himself to the sacraments, but He is not bound by the sacraments.” We are certain that God’s grace is present in the sacraments of the Church, but we are well aware that God is not limited to the sacraments.  In the end, we have to trust that God will supply the needed graces to those who received a sacrament from Father Hood in good faith.

I wonder if more cases such as this one will arise.  I wonder how many priests are looking through old family videos from the 80s and 90s to make sure they were validly ordained.  I only have pictures of the events, so I will trust that I was validly baptized!

WHAT A DARN SHAME THAT A CATHOLIC CHURCH IS FORCED TO POST THIS DUE TO OUR LITIGIOUS PARISHIONERS AND VISITORS

 

Our diocese asked us to post this:

On August 5^th, Governor Kemp signed into law a bill that relieved business of any liability should they be sued by someone saying that they contracted COVID-19 at any place of business. Our churches are included in this bill. The wording given by the state is as follows:

 

Warning

Under Georgia law, there is no liability for an injury or death of an individual entering these premises if such injury or death results from the inherent risks of contracting COVID-19. You are assuming this risk by entering these premises.

THE NEW NEO-SANCTIMONY OF THE ADHERENTS OF THE NEW SELF-RIGHTEOUS NEO-FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGION OF THE DICTATORS OF MASK WEARING

Covid-19 has created a new neo-morality and its corresponding self-righteous, puritanical sanctimony. 

What is that, Fr. Allan, you many ask? Well, it is the morality of wearing masks. The neo-preachers of this neo-fundamentalist new religion, use guilt, guilt, guilt, plus manipulation, or is laying a guilt trip on a person, manipulation anyway to shame immoral, non compliant, evil non wearing mask individuals into submission and compliance to the dictators of this new neo-fundamentalist religion. 

Apart from the requirement to wear a mask by states or municipalities, not all have made mask wearing a law or requirement. It is left up to the individual to wear the mask. The ones who wear them, should of course, wear masks that prevent them from contracting a contagion and then bringing it to vulnerable persons in their lives. 

But that’s not enough, everyone has to wear a mask to make the insecure who go outside in public feel safe. 

You would think if masks are effective, that the one wearing the mask would not contract Covid-19 from non mask wearers. 

And of course there are a variety of opinions from rocket scientists to medical doctors concerning the effectiveness of masks that are not “medical masks.” Pointing this out gives a brain hemorrhage to those who are the dictators of the advice they have gotten from their favorite expert, contradicting experts notwithstanding. 

What do you think of this new neo-fundamentalist religion which uses manipulation, guilt and the fires of hell to force you to wear a mask, whether or not you care about getting Covid-19 while the one wearing the mask willingly, should be protected from the neo-atheists who don’t believe in the new neo-fundamentalist religion whose only moral teaching is “you shall wear a mask”! 

And now that the fear-mongers of this neo-religion have their dictators effectively using guilt and manipulation to get everyone to wear a mask, will we be required by these dictators in the future, once Covid-19 passes into the annals of pandemic history,  to wear a mask each and every flu season? Wait and see!

EVERYONE KNOWS I AM A FLAMING LIBERAL

A friend just sent this photo to me of a Robert Vaughnish looking priest, me, from someone's tweet. Of course the movie star, Robert Vaughn, was known as one of the most handsomeest  actors of his age, right up there with Brad Pitt and Rock Hudson.

 

OF COURSE VATICAN II IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

I can’t get the embedded code to actuality post this Facebook video of a Nuptial Mass in England or Ireland. This wreckavated church with priest enthroned dead center celebrates a wrekavated Nuptial Mass with heart strings tugged hard by a smaltzy secular ditty well rehearsed which passes as prayer and liturgical spirituality.

With this kind of gushy VAPID,  superficial faux Catholicism and it’s version of prayer, liturgy and spirituality, is it any wonder Ireland will ordain more bishops than priests this year?

 https://www.facebook.com/234859083260066/posts/2960132724066008/?vh=e&extid=6xdR7hxNzMssdoh8

MORE ON THE TRAGIC SITUATION OF NONES WHO ONCE WERE RELIGIOUSLY AFFILIATED

This is a follow up on obituaries. I read them from a few newspapers in cities that I once was a priest. It is tragic how secular the obituaries are with no mention of the person’s religious affiliation. Often included is the person’s love for their pets, the kind of food they loved and the friendship they had.

This past Saturday, one of my elderly parishioners came to me to ask me to remember a friend of hers. She and the deceased attended Mt. de Sales Academy in Macon when it was an all girls Catholic boarding school. She had been a member of my parish and I was told was even a lector here.

For whatever reason, and years ago, she disengaged from the Church and parish. At 82 she died and there was no mention in her obituary about her religious affiliation, high school of graduation or religious services. An internment of her ashes was at a Presbyterian cemetery near my rectory, but not a religious service on a Sunday at 10:30 AM.

As I looked at her obituary at the local funeral home’s webpage, I noticed two  other obituaries in Richmond Hill with people who had “Catholic” looking names. One a young person who more than like committed suicide or an overdose of drugs and an elderly woman. Neither had any religious affiliation listed or services from a religious institution, just private funeral services.

In another city, three 17 year old boys were killed in a single car accident. The first obituary says nothing about the young man’s religious affiliation. There is a grave side service officiated by a Catholic priest. Did his parents disengage from the Church and see no reason to rear their son in any faith whatsoever, perhaps thinking he could choose his own path when he grew up?

This tragedy isn’t unique to Catholicism. In my town a young ex-marine with a very nice family, altruistically stopped on I-95’s intersection of I-16 to assist a stranded motorist he did not know. When he got out of his car, he was struck and killed by a tractor trailer. His obituary spoke highly of all he accomplished and truly a hero in the Marines and in life, but no religious affiliation and just a graveside service.

The same funeral home had an obituary of a young married man with a lovely wife and family who had committed suicide. No religious affiliation whatsoever and a graveside service. His mother had a heart attack two days later and died two weeks later. Same thing. There photos are together on the funeral home’s website as her funeral was their second one since her son’s funeral.

This is the new normal for a considerable number of both younger and older people.

And more and more, due to cremation, there are no funeral services at all. 

THIS IS SAINT PATRICK'S CHURCH NEAR THE FRENCH QUARTER IN NEW ORLEANS AS IT IS TODAY--I HOPE NO NEO-CATHECUMINAL PRIEST BECOMES PASTOR THERE!!!!

You know, one of the reasons, among many, for the loss of Catholic Faith in so many historically Catholic, Catholics, has to be "contact traced" to the time when kneeling for Holy Communion was the norm in the Church for more than 1,500 years until the mid to late 1960's and then overnight altar railings ripped out, standing for Holy Communion as in a chow line, required and Eucharistic Ministers crowding the sanctuary as though they were want-to-be priests.

I firmly believe that standing, receiving on the run and receiving on the hand and not from a priest or deacon has eroded the reverence, awe and respect that Catholics once had for the Most Holy Eucharist, even if they struggled to believe in Transubstantiation.

I continue to believe that both ad orientem and kneeling for Holy Communion would begin a healthy recovery of true Catholic Faith in the Mass and Real Presences mandated for the Ordinary Form. But of the two, I would say that kneeling for Holy Communion is more important than ad orientem!

WHAT IN THE NAME OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE AND DOING IT IN SECRET AS IF THEY KNOW THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS DEADLY WRONG AND AN INJUSTICE!

Before Covid-19:

 After Covid-19 and because of the virus that infected the brain of the pastor, who did it during the shutdown:

At Philly Catholic churches, secret renovations expose rift between traditional and Neo-Catechumenal members

For the last 12 years, Donna Panno, who leads the singing for Sunday Mass at St. Michael Roman Catholic Church in North Philadelphia, sat in the first pew. It was the same pew in which her mother, now 91, fainted as a 6-year-old from a fever.

But while St. Michael was closed because of the pandemic between March and early June, that pew, along with many others, was ripped from the historic church’s hardwood floors, the altar rails removed. The center-aisle marble floor — down which members and their parents before them had marched to be married — as well as the hardwood floors beneath the remaining pews were covered in bright red carpeting.

It all happened under the direction of the Rev. Arturo Chagala, who, since 2014 has led both the traditional Catholic congregation at the church, at Second and Jefferson Streets, as well as the members of the Neo-Catechumenal Way, an evangelical ministry that’s been acknowledged by the Vatican since 2008 and that at St. Michael comprises about 10% of the almost 250 parishioners.

Read the rest there if your stomach can take it...

But then this, which is a bit of good news, since the good pastor did not consult with the parish  or the diocese and did it in secret when the church was closed during the pandemic, the new Philly Archbishop called the pastor in for a meeting and called him on the carpet and this is the letter the good pastor has written in response the the good Archbishop's orders. I can only produce a photo copy, so I hope it can be read. What do you think of it????

WOW, I THINK THIS PAROCHIAL ADMINISTRATOR, HE'S NOT EVEN PASTOR, MORE THAN LIKELY CLEANSED WHAT THE ARCHBISHOP ACTUALLY SAID. AND SINCE HE'S NOT PASTOR, BUT PAROCHIAL ADMINISTRATOR, HE CAN VERY EASILY BE REMOVED BY THE ARCHBISHOP, WHICH I AM SURE, WILL BE THE NEXT STEP.

IF A PRIEST IN SANTA FE CAN HAVE IS FACULTIES TO PREACH REMOVED FOR GOING LONGER THAN 5 MINUTES, I THINK THIS PAROCHIAL ADMINISTRATOR SHOULD BE REMOVED IN LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES? NO?

MY BISHOP - ELECT, THE UNTOLD STORY

From Our Sunday Visitor:

Siblings, brother priests, and now brother bishops

Patti Maguire Armstrong August 17, 2020

Bishop-elect Stephen Parkes of Savannah and Bishop Gregory Parkes of St. Petersburg. CNS photos

When Bishop-elect Stephen Parkes becomes the 15th bishop of the Diocese of Savannah, Georgia, on Sept. 23, he will become a brother bishop to his sibling, Bishop Gregory L. Parkes of the Diocese of St. Petersburg, Florida. They will be one of only 11 pairs of sibling-bishops in the history of the Church in the United States. For the Parkes brothers, it is especially poignant, as they are the only two surviving members of their immediate family.

The 55-year old Bishop-elect Stephen Parkes has served the Diocese of Orlando, Florida, for 22 years, the last nine as pastor of Annunciation Parish in Altamonte Springs. The announcement of his appointment as bishop was made July 8 in Washington, D.C., by Archbishop Christophe Pierre, the Vatican nuncio to the United States. The bishop-elect had only learned of it himself on July 2. He was making breakfast following his weekly 31-mile morning bike ride when the apostolic nuncio called to tell him that Pope Francis had selected him as a bishop.

READ THE REST OF THE UNTOLD STORY AT OSV:

THE EF MASS CLERGY MUST ENCOURAGE EF CONGREGANTS TO COME CLOSER TO OF CONGREGATIONS IN ACTIVE/ACTUAL PARTICIPATION, NOT ONLY INTERIORLY, BUT EXTERIORLY

Most of the funeral I celebrate in the south have a majority of non-Catholic in attendance. What I love about the Ordinary Form and the vernacular is that it enables active/actual participation in terms of singing and speaking the parts that pertain the the laity.

This is our Facebook live-stream copy of a funeral I had today of a 25 year old parishioner who tragically drowned at the family pool a week ago. Many non Catholics here, but a goodly number of my parishioners who helped to carry the speaking and singing of their parts. We only had two cantors, no choir.



The other things that I love because of Covid-19 and God willing, will maintain after Covid-19 is no procession with the offering, completely useless and time consuming and the sign of peace. This lends toward noble simplicity which Vatican II asked to happen to the renewal of the Liturgy, noble simplicity not useless activity.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!

The Archbishop of San Francisco has multiple priests celebrating simultaneously, Holy Mass at multiple altars and ad orientem outside the cathedral on the Solemnity of the Assumption of Our Lady!

Covid-19 has forced safe practices on the OF Mass, ad orientem to prevent aerosolized prayers, no offertory procession, Communion by Host only, the safest way on the tongue and kneeling and now multiple Masses at the same time! What will the Church think of next?!

TIFFANY DESIGNED AND EXECUTED THIS

It isn’t for a Catholic Church, but for an exposition and more than likely for high Anglican tastes which clearly follows classic Latin Rite requisites for altar designs prior to Vatican II.

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The Ecclesiastical Work of Louis Comfort Tiffany

by Shawn Tribeon August 18, 2020Architecture

YOUNG FATHER HORAN REALLY TRIES HARD TO MODEL HIMSELF IN A RETRO WAY WITH 1970’S THINKING ALBEIT IN A FINE ACADEMIC WAY BUT WITH SOME LOGIC MISSING AS IT CONCERNS HIS OWN DUPLICITY

Young, inexperienced and not really from the 70’s although he is retro, Father Danny, really thinks he has hit the nail on the head as he makes sweeping judgmental judgements against the super orthodox as he might think they are. He thinks they can’t deal with the various shades of gray in the Church and culture. 

He seems to fall into the same heresies he describes, speaking partial truth and thus really screwing things up. Thus I give the good, young Father Danny a D- on his essay on morality and heresy reminding him “physician heal thyself.”

This is the money-byte that sums up his heresy:

We see this in the way that some Catholics reduce the rich and nuanced moral teachings of the church to focus exclusively on abortion to the exclusion of other equally or greater pressing social sins, such as capital punishment, torture, economic inequality, euthanasia, racial justice, among others. And how this distorted single-issue reductionism is deployed against those perceived to be political enemies.

Read the rest of the Democratic Catholic talking points here from of course, The National Chismatic Reporter, a completely schismatic publication and heretical too to boot! One can tell that Fr. Danny is a Democrat operative which is fine if only he would be honest about it and not name calling as heretics or schismatics those who are Republican or Independent or could write a better essay on what heresy actually is than he does:

The heresy of oversimplified Christianity

Aug 19, 2020

by Daniel P. Horan

THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING! I WONDER IF CNN, NBC, THE WASHINGTON POST AND OTHERS BEING SUED FOR DEFAMATION WILL COVER IT?

BREAKING: Nick Sandmann, Abby Johnson to speak at Republican National Convention

National pro-life advocates Abby Johnson and Nick Sandmann will address the 2020 Republican National Convention next week

IS THIS TOO AUTHORITARIAN GIVEN SO MANY OTHER LITURGICAL PROBLEMS?

Maybe there are priests who wish to be suspended. All they need to do is preach 6 minutes and the 5 minute limit homily gestapos will report you to the bishop:

From CNA: 

Priests in the Archdiocese of Santa Fe have been warned that they could lose the faculty to preach if they give homilies longer than five minutes. The archdiocese told CNA the restriction is part of the archdiocesan response to the coronavirus pandemic.

In the memo, sent July 31, archdiocesan vicar general Fr. Glennon Jones said that the archdiocesan chancery had “received reports of some homilies going on for well over the 5-minute limit set by the Archbishop.”

“This not only increases exposure time [of the coronavirus] to others, but increases the discomfiture of many congregants, to the point of some not attending Mass because of it.”

“If such homilies continue, [Archbishop John Wester] will consider severer [sic] actions for subject clergy,” Jones wrote, “up to and including possible suspension of the faculty to preach.”

The warning was part of a series of “periodic communications” from the chancery regarding pastoral and sacramental practice in the Santa Fe archdiocese during the coronavirus pandemic.

Since May 16-17, churches in the archdiocese have been allowed to reopen for the public celebration of Mass in line with phase one of the governor’s reopening guidelines, allowing for attendance set at 10% of building capacity.

Under the guidelines posted on the archdiocesan website, various restrictions on the celebration of the liturgy remain in place, including a prohibition on congregants singing.

The time limit on homilies of five minutes referenced in the July 31 memo appears to have been preceded by a relaxation of the posted guidelines, which state that homilies be “very brief,” and “three minutes max.”

Read on. 

RESTORATION OF A LITURGICAL RENOVATION NOT MANDATED BY VATICAN II AND COSTLY TO MOST PARISHES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY THE RESTORATION OF THE MASS AS VATICAN II ENVISIONED NOT SOME COMMITTEE FORMED AD HOC AFTERWARD WITH AN AGENDA FAR DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNCIL FATHER'S ENVISIONED

Original design followed by contrived design for a manufactured Liturgy followed by a restoration and fidelity to Amoris Laetitia's ecology of restoration not only for the planet's health but for the Church's health. We only have about 10 years or so to save the planet and the liturgy or else the planet and the Church will be destroyed.

Pope Francis is concerned about ecology and has been especially critical of what has been done to the Amazon's ecology with the stripping of the rain forests there that sustain the life of the planet, so we are told.

But what about the ecology of the Liturgy, stripped by debacling liturgists for the past 50 years after Vatican II beginning with Pope Paul VI's committee on the liturgy that fabricated a stripped Liturgy prone to the cult of the personality and idiosyncrasies imposed upon it by idiosyncratic and/or creative celebrants which challenge the simple rubrics of the fabricated Ordinary Form Mass?

Obviously we must protect and restore the ecology of the Liturgy as much as we must protect and restore the ecology of the Amazon. As it concerns the Liturgy, it is for the salvation of souls as we prepare for the Parousia where creation will be restored as well as our bodies, except for those souls in hell, especially those unrepentant destroyers of the Amazon and Liturgy.

What would a restored Liturgy faithful to Vatican II look like?

Restoration of mandated spoken or chanted propers. The restoration of the order of the Introdution rite and the geographical symbolism of facing Jerusalem, facing Golgatha/Calvary, facing the rising Son and facing the heavenly Jerusalem even in a symbolic way through ad orientem.

The Introductory Rite at the foot of the Altar beginning with the Sign of the Cross, all reciting a restored Confietor with the absolution and then the Kyrie at the center of the altar along with the Gloria and the Collect at the Epistle side of the altar.

The Liturgy of the Word from the ambo as is the norm for the Ordinary Form to include lay lectors.

The Credo at the center of the Altar and the elimination of the Universal Prayer or a fixed litany of petition which is brief.

No presentaton of the offerings as the Liturgy of the Eucharist begins. The Liturgy of the Eucharist as currently is.

The suppression of the Kiss of Peace or restoration of it as in the EF for a Solemn High Mass only.

Holy Communion kneeling.

Post Communion Prayer at the Epistle side of the altar.

The placeat restored and at the middle of the altar as the congregation kneels, then the priest turns to the congregation for the Blessing and then all stand for the Ite Missa Est.

How easy would that be?

A PROGRESSION OF MONEY SPENDING, ONE WASTEFUL THE OTHER NOT, BUT THE OTHER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NEEDED IF NOT FOR THE ONE THAT WAS SINFULLY WASTEFUL

Before and After: St. Wenceslaus in Wahoo, Nebraska

by Shawn Tribeon August 17, 2020

Press title above from actual article. Below is my astute commentary on selected photos:

You or your ancestors build this beautiful church:

Then a committee led by a misguided pastor says Vatican II mandated that the new and improved Liturgy had to have a sanctuary that conformed to the demands of Vatican II, so mega bucks are spent to throw out the old (anti Amoris Laetitia btw) and spend more mega bucks for the modern new and improved, which really isn't and really angered and alienated a significant number of parishioners who grieved the destruction of the original beauty of the church:

But then there was an attempt at improving the debacle a bit later and this money spending spree produced this better but still horrible look:

But then, because of Pope Benedict's "renewal in continuity" hermeneutic, the pastor gets mega bucks from his parishioners, which would not have been required if the new and improved had not been shoved down the throats of Catholics of the 1970's, who had lies told to them that Vatican II mandated that Catholic Churches had to be renovated for the new Liturgy and so they wasted their contributions for the renovation pictured above. But now with yet more money from generous parishioners they now have this, with the altar railing on the way:

My only question is this: was the old altar put into a basement all these years only to be brought back upstairs or is the altar and reredos a glorious new work duplicating the old. It appears to me to be A painted wood carving not marble.  I am sure no one was angered or alienated by the current renovation.

CAN A LOCAL BISHOP, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE POPE, EXCOMMUNICATE THESE TWO?

Are Fr. Jim and Sr. Campbell Vatican II success stories? I am sure both of them, more than likely, support pro choice politicians who have no problem with the extermination of 61,628,584 and counting, babies since Roe V. Wade, but they (the politicians and Fr. Jim and Sr. Campbell) are in favor of assisting those who survived pregnancy because of a pro-life mother, with social services in order to soothe their guilty consciences. And yes, they support a mask mandate that criminalizes those who don't wear them unless you are in a so-called peaceful protest that becomes a riot. At least they are pro life for the small minority who test positive for COVID-19 in the world’s population and even smaller percentage in the world’s population who die of it. Compare those numbers with babies murdered by abortion throughout the world. At least their deaths keep The number in poverty and the number who die from COVID-19 lower.

And of course they will betray Christ by enabling sexual aberrations that poke a needle in the Church's eye, except for those Catholics like Ms. Rita and Fr. Tony who applaud interpreting Vatican II in rupture with what preceded in order to sing into being a new post Catholic Church.

Of course we'll have to hear what Sr. Campbell and Fr. Jim will have to say, but if they say things that break with the morals of the Church and thus go into schism with the true Church and her pope and bishops, will they, like the priest in Sacramento be excommunicated????? And who does the excommunicating?

Press title for the  National Chismatic Reporter's (NCR) which has been the main formator of Chismatic Catholic clergy, religious and laity since the 1960's, for the Chismatic story:

Fr. James Martin, Sr. Simone Campbell to speak at Democratic convention

BY CHRISTOPHER WHITE

AUG 16, 2020

ON THE SOLEMNITY OF THE ASSUMPTION, SATURDAY, THIS OCCURRED IN MADISON, WISCONSIN. I AM SURE YOU SAW IT COVERED ON CNN AND MSNBC—NOT!

By the way, The new Bishop of Madison is scheduled to celebrate an EF Confirmation in his diocese.

Wouldn’t it be great for the Holy Father to do a procession like this in Rome as a militant approach to asking for deliverance from COVID-19 and if the Holy Father also celebrated an EF Confirmation?

Bishop Hying and Archbishop Listecki lead Eucharistic procession in Madison, WI

Two bishops lead 2,000 Catholics behind the Blessed Sacrament to Wisconsin’s Capitol, declaring that Jesus Christ is the answer to society’s turmoil.

August 15, 2020 Joseph M. Hanneman Print

A crowd estimated at 2,000 processes behind the Blessed Sacrament up State Street in Downtown Madison. (Photo by Joseph M. Hanneman)

MADISON, Wisconsin — The Second Person of the Holy Trinity was given a police escort up riot-scarred State Street to the Wisconsin Capitol building on Saturday, followed in procession by 2,000 Catholics who proclaimed in word and deed that Jesus Christ is the answer and antidote to our troubled times.

Madison police blocked off streets in a big section of Downtown Madison and a single squad car with emergency lights blazing cleared the path for Bishop Donald J. Hying of Madison and Archbishop Jerome E. Listecki of Milwaukee to bring Jesus to one of the most troubled spots in America. The thousands who followed bore witness to the message that only Jesus can heal our wounds.

“What a blessing to carry Jesus Christ in His Eucharistic glory through the streets of Downtown Madison,” Hying said on the steps of the Capitol, the very spot where rioters rampaged just two months ago. “It was a sweet wait.”

“Every time the world has faced suffering, violence, every time the people are filled with fear, the Church has brought out the Eucharist and processed the Eucharist in the streets — in procession because we know it is the power of this Eucharistic Christ that can bring about the fullness of what each human heart seeks, and that is union with God.”

Bishop Donald J. Hying of the Diocese of Madison carries the monstrance with the Blessed Sacrament to the Wisconsin State Capitol on Aug. 15. (Photo by Joseph M. Hanneman)

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EUROPEAN VACATION

Of course when you get to Vienna, you must pronounce it as the natives do, with a long “eye”, Viiiiiena! Odd, though, that they went to London but not Birmingham....

ARE THERE ANY POST CATHOLIC ORDERS OF SISTERS THAT CAN BOAST ABOUT THEIR NUMEROUS NEW NOVICES?

One week ago today, our sister postulants received the Holy Habit of Saint Dominic! For more pictures, visit https://www.nashvilledominican.org/news-and-media/photo-gallery/view-gallery/?gallery-id=50

HOW THE INSECURE REACT WHEN THEIR MEME IS CONTRACTED AND TORN TO SHREDS. THE TRUTH BE TOLD, HELL HATH NO FURY WHEN AN INSECURE ACADEMIC’S PREMISE IS TORN TO SHREDS

A Blast from the Past: When Affirmation of Vatican II Was a Given

Press the title above for the post from Praytell that led to these comments below. Of course, Tom is 100% correct and Rita and Fr. Tony are in denial since Tom destroys their blog and its premise with his innate common sense.

Think of religious orders that are on the verge of extinction compared to those prospering today. The dying ones still tout their elderly meme of so called renewal a success and a road from which they will not diverge. It really is not only sad but tragic.

Here are the Money comments:

Tom Piatak says:

August 13, 2020 at 7:38 pm

Is there anyplace in the historic heartlands of Catholicism where the Church is stronger today than before Vatican II? A single diocese even?

If there isn’t, it really shouldn’t be a surprise that questions about the Council are being raised.

Not a single diocese better now than before the Council in Italy. Or France. Or Spain. Or Portugal. Or Austria. Or Belgium. Or Ireland. Countries that, between them, Catholicized the planet and that now can’t even Catholicize themselves. 

Those who argue for an uncritical embrace of Vatican II are going to have to do better than “it would be worse without the Council.”

On the contrary:

Rita Ferrone says:

August 14, 2020 at 7:25 am

Hi Tom,
Logical fallacy alert. It’s called “post hoc ergo propter hoc.” Because something happened after the Council does not mean it happened because of the Council. As I look back over the events that have diminished the numbers in church institutions in America, most are about sex. Humanae vitae distanced a whole generation. This was not the fruit of Vatican II. Priestly celibacy was not the fruit of Vatican II either, yet many men left the priesthood because of celibacy. Look at the number of married deacons. There are plenty of men who want to serve the church, they just don’t want to be celibate anymore. Another example: The sex abuse crisis. This was not the fruit of Vatican II at all, but it has been the cause of bleeding of institutions and diminished trust in the hierarchy. The role of women: many have left the church or don’t pursue involvement because they believe the church treats women as second class citizens. Nothing to do with Vatican II, it’s about sexism. The younger generation now spurns the Church as anti-gay. Again, not about Vatican II.

1. Anthony Ruff, OSB says:

   August 14, 2020 at 7:46 am

   Tom, 

   Rita is correct in naming your false logic. There are massive declines in organized religion around the globe going back 50 or 100 years or more. All the institutional declines since 1965 could well have happened to the same extent without Vatican II. Note the declines in institutions strength of Eastern Orthodoxy in the west during this time period – and they didn’t have a Vatican II.

   I know it *feels* like there is a causal connection. But don’t trust that emotional feeling, for it does not constitute a data-driven, factual analysis.

   awr

My astute comments that can not be contradicted:

First of all, for ill-informed progressives in the Church, especially clergy and religious men and women, Vatican II opened up the possibility that if one thing could change then everything could change, including doctrine and dogma, what once was believed by all faithful Catholics as Divine Truth. Once Divine Truth is questioned and the bad old meany pope and bishops won’t accommodate an alternate truth that is a lie, then the Catholic either disengages or leaves the Church.

Of course Vatican II did no such thing, unless you use, as these wild clerics and religious did, the hermenuetic of rupture to interpret the Council rather than Pope Benedict's hermenuetic of renewal in continuity. 

What Fr. Tony and Ms. Rita want is falsehood embraced to keep those in the Church who are no longer Catholic because they actually deny Divine Revealed Truth as articulated by the true, One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Thus Ms. Rita and Fr. Tony don’t believe that human sexuality can be disordered and mortally sinful. They don’t believe the Sacrament of Marriage is for one man and one woman and for a lifetime. They don’t believe that the all male sacramental priesthood is divinely revealed but sociologically dictated. They don’t believe sexuality belongs in divinely revealed Sacramental marriage for the procreation of children as well as the unity of the couple and the strengthening of marital love and Christian family life.

Thus, if people leave the Church and HER Divine Truth, Divine Truth is the problem and must be changed to accommodate sociological shifts that lead to a new paradigm of truth which is really falsehood and lies.

What is important to the true Church is fidelity to Divine Truth even if that means we have a smaller but more faithful Church. We don’t need a false Church that appeases the world’s falsehoods or Catholics who prefer the world’s falsehoods to Divine Truth.

Right now the Church and its post-Vatican II spirit wants to speak out of both sides of the mouth and accommodate those who don’t believe the Deposit of Faith. Who wants to belong to that kind of marshmallow with no real identity?

The Catholic Church is at a crossroads. If we can’t recover immutable truth that can’t be changed and Catholics who believe Divine Truth can’t be changed, what is the point of the Church other than a kind of country club of friends and social connections regardless of what they embrace as so-called truth.

If reiterating Divine Truth that contradicts our culture’s lies causes Catholics to leave the Church, that is free will in action.

But if creating a Church that is ambivalent about Divine Truth and changes it to accommodate and appease those who want lies, who want that other than those who are worldly?

Fr. Tony makes my point when he speaks about the Orthodox Church which has not had a Vatican II losing members too. They have maintained “their” orthodoxy and will not bend to accommodate what they believe to be heterodoxy or heterodox members. That is strength not weakness!

We have the truth, Divine Truth, and if the Church institutionally remains faithful even if people leave that is a good thing, not bad.

But when we have heterodox dioceses and parishes with a very worldly clientele who really aren’t Catholic, but claim to be, who wants that except for the clique that does?

There is a big difference in a bad or unfaithful Catholic who knows they are both, but perseveres with the Church because Divine Truth is upheld and the person hopes one day, by God’s grace, to be conformed to the Church’s truth or they remain in the Church, hanging by a thread, in hopes of eternal life despite their lack of true belief.

Compare that to a bad Catholics who through pride believe the Church should accommodate them when in fact they are no longer believing Catholics, and they demand acceptance and the falsehoods they believe to be true. Delusional, no? Schizophrenic, no? Dysfunctional, no? YESSSS!

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