We know that Pope Leo was quite gracious to the Lady Archbishopess as His Holiness should be. But let’s face it the Anglican Communion long ago went into schism and when the Protestant Reformation had its day with the Church of England, they were no longer like the Eastern Orthodox with valid Orders and Sacraments, but these eventually disappeared and then became null and void.
Their schism is far worse than the Great Schism fomented by the East.
Then there is the potential that the FSPPX ordaining bishops and those being ordained bishops will be formally excommunicated by decree and be in official schism. While not confirmed, there is also a possibility that this schism/excommunication will be extended to laity that officially belong to FSSPX communities. I hope the latter isn’t the case, but it might well become the case.
But which is worse, the schism of the FSPPX or the German Schism and their heretical synodal way?
This is a great article on that, press the title for the German Schismatic Way:
Sex and the Unity of the Catholic Church
Will Pope Leo coddle the German schismatics which includes many cardinals and bishops but kick the “*ss” of the FSSPX bishops and laity?
It seems to me that the FSSPX schisms is mild compared to the German Schismatics, no?
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In regard to the SSPX:
Larry Chapp has issued a devasting assessment of the SSPX. His devasting, negative assessment of the Society could have been written by such leading SSPX critics as Cardinals Burke and/or Müller.
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2026/04/28/the-sspx-again/
-- The SSPX is now on a clear and direct collision course with Rome
Excerpts:
Larry Chapp has delineated the SSPX's attitude toward Pope Leo XIV:
"Pagliarani (Father Pagliarani, SSPX Superior General) is saying in effect that the Society does not care what the new pope thinks of it because Leo, in the Society’s estimation, is just one more iteration of the error-laced, heretical “Vatican II, Novus Ordo Church”.
"...the Society...views itself as the true “Holy Remnant” of “true Catholicism” whose task has been given by “Providence” to save the Church from itself."
"Pagliarani justifies all of this by appealing to the same tired narrative that the Church of today — ever since Vatican II — is in a crisis so deep that average souls are in real danger of going to Hell because the Church has fallen into error."
"That is why the Society claims the need for new bishops of its own, not appointed by Rome. This is to maintain the independence necessary from Rome, in order to be able to ordain priests who are not tainted by Novus Ordo, the Vatican II heresy.
"Therefore, this denigration of the mainstream priesthood is part of the broader narrative of apostasy and crisis that requires the grave necessity of disobedience.
"Pope Leo has remained thus far silent on the matter, content to allow Cardinal Fernandez to do all the heavy lifting.
"And this silence has been noticed by Fr. Pagliarani, who laments the fact that Pope Leo has shown no inclination to meet personally with the leaders of the Society to “dialogue” with them.
"If I were Pope Leo, I would not “dialogue” with them either. And I don’t think he will.
"Therefore, the SSPX is going to get the confrontation they have manufactured and desired.
"Perhaps it is now time for Pope Leo to have recourse, however reluctantly, to the “cruel necessity” of excommunication in July. At this point, it seems inevitable."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I am shocked MT that you are opposed to Pope Leo dialoguing with anyone and it is quite anti-Pope Leo on your part. In fact, this is what the Holy Father just said today and there doesn’t appear to be any exceptions to His Holiness’ call to dialogue:
“(Pope Leo said that there is) an opportunity to reflect on the universality of the Church and the importance of dialogue.
“In light of Christ’s Resurrection, the Church recognizes herself as being sent to all peoples—not by imposing herself, but by bearing witness to the truth in charity,” he said. “Dialogue, in turn, strengthens communion, opens paths of understanding, and serves the cause of peace.”
Through the work of dialogue and communion, Christ makes the Church a sign of unity and hope for the world, drawing all things to Himself.”
From Father Z:
"And now look at this through the lens of the SSPX.
This crazy Belgian bishop says that they are in a state of pastoral emergency.
The SSPX could look at him and what he intends and conclude exactly the same thing.
Again, it will be interesting to see what Rome does about this."
What Chapp and most others seem to gloss over is that the Vatican strategy seems to have been, for all this time, to wait for all the SSPX bishops to die off and the order collapse. There were originally four, one was removed for disobedience, one died, and the last two are in their late 60s of unknown health prognosis, and meanwhile, they have grown tremendously...they NEED bishops, which have been denied again and again. I can certainly see their motivation.
Perhaps Father McDonald can help us with regard to the SSPX. Father, exactly what articles of the Catholic Faith does the SSPX reject? Transubstantiation, the Petrine Ministry, one of the Seven Sacraments? Rejecting the many blunders and failures of Vatican II doesn't seem a legitimate reason to not keep SSPX within the unity of the Church. It seems Bishops like Martin and Bonny are a far bigger problem. Thanks for helping us understand why the Vatican is being less than tolerant with this particular group.
It is canonical with the FSSPX : Canon Law,1387— Both the Bishop who, without a pontifical mandate, consecrates a person a Bishop, and the one who receives the consecration from him, incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See. Can. 1388— § 1.
I don’t know the canons on a bishop ordaining a married man a priest who is not eligible but Boney would incur punishment in breaking that canon and the one ordained too. If Cardinal Marx disobeys the pope on specific liturgical blessings for couples in sinful, immoral unions, he too can be disciplined. All of these are canon law issues.
So SSPX has never denied Catholic doctrine. Excellent. This makes Rome look punitive with regard to SSPX. Could Rome be jealous of their vocation successes?
Isn’t it Catholic doctrine that you have to obey the pope?
No, just as JPII followed canon law, Leo is too. No jealousy just law and order.
Bishops make a promise of obedience to the pope. Lower clergy, religious and laity are to obey the faith and morals of the Church or be guilty of sin if they don’t. They are to obey canon law too. No pope can tell a lay person where they can or can’t live, the number of children they should have or the house they will live in.
Marc, how many popes are there in the Eastern Orthodox Churches and do you obey your particular pope?
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