The Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople led the recitation of the Nicene Creed with Pope Leo and leaders of other Communions. They said it in English and exactly as the screen shots below indicate.
In some ways, it resembles more the horrible translation into English from the Latin that English speaking countries used at Mass prior to the revision of our English text to be more faithful to the Latin Test.
Please note the “We” is used, rather than the correct “I” which Credo is when translated to English.
Please note the novelty in some Christian circles, concerning using terms that don’t offend women. For example, instead of “for us men” they professed “for us all” and most shockingly, and I think heretical, “He was made human (not Man)” as though Christ’s masculinity isn’t apart of the incarnation! Shocking to say the least!
Of course the “Filoque Clause” is omitted as it is in the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church.
And again, and most shockingly, the term “consubtantial with the Father” is not used, but rather “One in being!” That was what we said prior to our English revision of the credo that returned us to “consubstantial”.
Also used was the term “what is seen and unseen” rather than the more precise, “what is visible and invisible”! What is unseen could be hidden behind a rock, what is invisible is, well, invisible! What’s up with this old, tired and imprecise translation! Good Grief!
What I find most shocking is that the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch led the recitation of the Nicene Creed with this poor English translation!
I’d like to hear from Marc about this!
I found this from an Eastern Orthodox website as to how the Orthodox say the Nicene Creed and below it they also had a video on how they chant it in glorious Eastern Chant but in the vernacular:
As the “Symbol of Faith” for Orthodox Christians, the Nicene-Constantinople Creed is recited by the faithful at every Divine Liturgy. This is the historical definition of Christian belief. In other words, if you don’t believe this, you are not a member of the Christian faith.
The Nicene Creed
I believe in One God, (Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29, 12:32; Ephesians 4:6; 1 Corinthians 8:6)
The Father Almighty (Genesis 17:1-8; Exodus 6:3; Matthew 6:9; Ephesians 4:6; 2 Corinthians 6:18)
Maker of heaven and earth (Genesis 1:1; Job 38:1-30)
And of all things visible and invisible (Colossians 1:15-16; John 1:3; Hebrews 11:3; Revelation 4:11)
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ (John 20:28; Acts 11:17, 16:31; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 4:5)
The Son of God, the Only-Begotten (Matthew 3:17, 14:33, 16:16; John 1:14, 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages (Psalm 2:7; John 1:1-2)
Light of Light (John 1:4, 1:9, 8:12; Psalm 27:1; Matthew 17:2, 5; 2 Corinthians 4:6; Hebrews 1:3; 1 John 1:5)
True God of True God (John 1:1-2, 17:1-5; 1 John 5:20)
Begotten, not made (John 1:1-2, 16:28, 1:18)
Of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
By Whom all things were made (Hebrews 1:1-2, 10; John 1:3, 1:10; Colossians 1:16; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Romans 11:36)
Who for us men and for our salvation (I Timothy 2:4-5; Matthew 1:21; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Colossians 1:13-14)
Came down from heaven (John 3:13, 3:31, 6:33-35, 38)
And was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1:34-35)
And became man (John 1:14; Hebrews 2:14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; I Corinthians 15:3; 1 Peter 2:24)
under Pontius Pilate (Mark 15:15)
And suffered (Mark 8: 31; Matthew 27:50)
And was buried (Luke 23:53; 1 Corinthians 15:4; Matthew 27:59-60)
And He rose again on the third day (Mark 9:31, 16:9; Acts 10:40; 1 Corinthians 15:4)
According to the Scriptures (Luke 24:1, 45-46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
And ascended into heaven (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:9-10; Mark 16:19)
And sits at the right hand of the Father (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55; Luke 22:69)
And He will come again with glory (Matthew 24:27; Mark 13:26; John 14:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:17)
To judge the living and the dead (Acts 10:42; 2 Timothy 4:1; Matthew 16:27; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Peter 4:5)
His kingdom shall have no end (2 Peter 1:11; Hebrews 1:8)
And I believe in the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; Acts 1:8)
The Lord and Giver of life (Acts 5: 3-4; Genesis 1:2; John 6:63; 2 Corinthians 3:6)
Who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26)
Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets (I Samuel 19:20; Ezekiel 11:5; 1 Peter 1:10-11; Ephesians 3:5)
And I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church (Matthew 16:18, 28:19; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Ephesians 1:4, 2:19-22, 4:4, 5:27; Acts 1:8, 2:42; Mark 16:15; Romans 12:4-5; 1 Corinthians 10:17)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins (Ephesians 4:5; Galatians 3:27; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Colossians 2:12-13; Acts 22:16)
I look for the resurrection of the dead (John 11:24; 1 Corinthians 15:12-49; Romans 6:4-5; 1 Thessalonians 4:16)
And the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1)Amen.
And here is what it sounds like on Sunday morning, when we sing it:
2 comments:
A couple things to note: in English, there’s not one approved translation of the Creed. Actually, our community says the Creed slightly differently at Liturgy than we do during the prayers for making Catechumens. And we say it slightly differently than the other community in our town that has the same bishop! It’s just one of those things — not really a big deal.
As to the substance of the version of the Creed said at this event, it’s not a very good translation in my opinion. I don’t think it crosses the line into heresy or heterodoxy, though.
It’s a little interesting to me that this meeting doesn’t seem to be perceived as a very big deal in the Orthodox world. It’s definitely not one in my corner of Orthodoxy since I’m not under the Ecumenical Patriarchate. I’m a little curious if anyone from my Church is at this meeting, but it’s hard to get info on who all is there!
I don't recognize the top translation. In a way, it reminds me of the pre-2011 RC version I think it was.
I very much recognize the second translation.
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