Wednesday, March 7, 2018

THE ORDINARY FORM NEED NOT LOOK THIS BAD AND CLUTTERED, DISORGANIZED AND LACKING IN BEAUTY IN A BEAUTIFUL SANCTUARY

This is Knoxville's spectacularly beautiful Cathedral with a liturgy not so well thought out. The clutter in front of the altar with the servers almost on top of it and hiding the altar and all the concelebrants stacked behind the altar with some at the parapet of the temple looking down on the altar is simply ugly and uninspiring. It need not be this way even when the celebrant is facing the nave:

But notice how tastefully the same configuration is at St. Joseph's Evening Mass of the Lord's Supper in Macon a few years back. Compare it to the Knoxville scene:
If they had only asked me, but alas!


23 comments:

Henry said...

Have you ever seen a mass concelebration scene--with a gaggle of concelebrants--that was not "simply ugly and uninspiring"? But what more appropriate occasion than the dedication of a cathedral with all the diocesan priests present.

Victor said...

But Father, do you not realise that, as Andy Warhol pointed out, what has been traditionally deemed "ugly" can become "beautiful" in particular contexts for modern man. After all, was not modern man what the liturgical deforms were all about?
And for postmodern man, the ugly vs. the beautiful is a collision of popular culture and high culture, as Lady Gaga pointed out, which is why we need another liturgical deform to get rid of beauty altogether, that is, if the liturgy is to be relevant to postmodern man.

Anonymous said...

WOW! Maybe you should man-up and write your complaints to the bishop of Knoxville, rather than just making snide, self-serving comments here...

ByzRC said...

Agree. They seem to have plenty of space yet, everyone is piled on top of each other. Additionally, the 6 high candles on the tabernacle altar weren't lit. If logistics prevented those candles from being lit, they should have made other arrangements or, designed access from behind that altar. Perhaps this was a planning issue as well.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

I suspect they were lit at Communion time in anticipation of the blessing and reposition of the Blessed Sacrament?

TJM said...

Anonymous at 10:48, is that you Kavanaugh? The comment fits your style. Man up? pretty funny for someone who goes Anonymous

ByzRC said...

Anonymous -

It's ok....calm down. These are simple reactions. To build such a traditional structure and not use it thusly is the result of planning that needed to be refined. That's all. Alternatively, building a traditional structure and intentionally doing what was done could also be considered neo-con - the look of traditon and nothing more. Perhaps the folks there are not schooled in the details that are required to have refined liturgy.

Anonymous said...

TJM - Yeah, Like "TJM" is not anonymous. "Comedy Gold."

TJM said...

Anonymous, Kavanaugh, thanks for more Comedy Gold from you!!! We can always smell the scent of Eau de Kavanaugh.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, anonymous "TJM," I'm sure you can.

TJM said...

Kavanaugh,

Go have a scotch and chill

Anonymous said...

I agree---too cluttered. Do you need that many altar boys/servers? Sometimes we have 9 our 10 at ours in 30327---certainly don't need that many to assist with the preparation of gifts. Nice to see that Catholic presence in one of our least Catholic states---Tennessee has a lot of "Bible-believing" fundamentalists, especially in East Tennessee where Knoxville is located---one of a few southern states to vote against Kennedy in 1960 with his religion considered a factor in Tennessee's voting for Nixon.

TJM said...

Anonymous Kavanaugh,

Regrettably what we since have learned about fake catholic JFK, we would have been better off with Tricky Dickie

Henry said...

Actually, it occurred too me, viewing the dedication Mass, that the wall of altar boys with thurifer raising a cloud of incense right in front of the altar, played the role (surely unintended) of the rood screen or drawn curtain of old--hiding the sacred mystery from profane gaze.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous "TJM." TIME to man up there, bucko.

TJM said...

Anonymous, Kavanaugh, Pewsitter,

At least when you respond to TJM you know which poster you are responding to, unlike, little girliemen, who hide behind Anonymous when doing their drive by sniping

Anonymous said...

TJM - Still hiding behind the meaningless initials I see. Man up there, "girlieman."

Henry said...

I know TJM well--just from what he's posted here over the years under the moniker "TMJ". Wouldn't know him any better if I knew his name, phone number, and social security number.

But Anonymous at 11:55 am could be anyone. Or no one. Don't know him. Or care to. He's just a nobody. And whatever a nobody says is meaningless. And pointless, a waste of time. His time, and everybody else's.

So I hereby renew my annual suggestion to our genial host that he henceforth delete rather than post all comments by "Anonymous". So the rest of us real people won't be tempted to waste our time reading meaningless pointless comments.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous" is as "nobody" as "TJM." They are both noms de blog and offer nothing to reveal the identity of the poster.

It's not a pointless waste of time since we see people reading and responding to and even thanking and congratulating the anonymi from time to time.

Why not discuss the ideas rather than the people, hmmm...?

Anonymous said...

TJM could be anyone. Maybe a Russian bot. Maybe an ordained woman Catholic priest. Maybe Fr. McDonald - who knows.

"TJM" is as anonymous as "Anonymous."

Rood Screen said...

I agree with Henry. If there were only one anonymous, it would be no problem. But it's hard to have a conversation when you can't tell one anonymous from another.

TJM said...

Anonymous Kavanaugh Pewsitter,

Could be a George Soros paid troll who supports the Abortion Party (formerly the Democratic Party) !!!!

ByzRC said...

I also agree with Henry. I believe John Nolan had suggested we not engage with Anonymous at one point. Excluding Bee, perhaps the time has come to put that into practice.