PERHAPS THE HOLY FATHER IS BEGINNING TO REALIZE THAT DISCUSSION OF THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER THAT LEADS TO THE BELIEF THAT IMMUTABLE TRUTH CAN BE CHANGED, SUCH AS NATURAL LAW, IS CREATING A CHURCH OF THE 1970'S AGITATING FOR A CHURCH THAT IS NO LONGER CATHOLIC OR FOLLOWING CHRIST--SOME ECUMENICAL, INTERFAITH, SECULAR FRIENDLY BEAST WITH SEVEN HEADS

From the National Catholic Register by Ed Pentin:

BOMBSHELL: Honduran cardinal also rules out the Pope ever supporting same-sex 'marriage', saying the "natural law cannot be reformed".

(My comments first, then the NCRegister article next:)That some would characterize this statement by Cardinal Rodriquez a bombshell who is considered to be a progressive Churchman and early on in the pontificate of Pope Francis seem to advocate things that were bound to create "lio" problems, mistakes, agitation, in the Church similar to what the Church had experienced in the immediate aftermath of an incorrect method of interpreting the documents of Vatican II is stunning! The very ones all the way up to the Holy Father have created "lio" or false expectations about the future direction of the Church and now they are having to backtrack and shut the very doors they have opened to all the confusion now reigning in the Church.

The Cardinal teaches the obvious Church teaching and some think it is a bombshell! What is happening here?

It seems now that we see the Holy Father and his closest adviser closing doors they opened, Pandora's Box. It is hard to close Pandora's Box once the highest officials of the Church have pried it open again.

We have to realize that the liberalization of Catholicism has been and will continue to be a disaster for the Church as it has been for liberal Protestantism since the late 1800's with its apex now in the Anglican Communion on the verge of extinction. 

Religious Orders in the late 1960's and 70's went through what they thought was a wonderful process of prayer, reflection, open discussion that led to a consensus for reform that was then approved and implemented. They idolized the "process" that led to "consensus" that then led to "reform."

It was like the new math, the answer didn't matter as much as the process by which the answer was arrived. One could still get a good grade if the process of answering the math question or equation was good even though the answer was wrong.

And wrong, wrong, wrong were the answers of the decisions that were made by process and consensus of once strong religious orders who today are on the verge of collapse as is the Anglican Communion.  These 1960's types in the Church want to do for the Universal Church what they have done for Religious Orders, destroy them and then call it "renewal" the ultimate lie.

Cardinal Rodriguez: Homosexual Lobby Exists in the Vatican

by Edward Pentin 01/13/2016 , National Catholic Register

Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga

Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga has confirmed the presence of a homosexual “lobby” in the Vatican and revealed that Pope Francis is trying “little by little to purify it.”

The Honduran Archbishop of Tegucigalpa, who coordinates the Council of Nine cardinals advising the Pope on reform of the Roman Curia and Church governance, was responding to a question from a Honduran newspaper reporter who asked him whether there had been “an attempt to infiltrate the gay community in the Vatican, or a moment when that had actually happened?”

Cardinal Rodriguez replied: “Not only that, also the Pope has said there is even a ‘lobby’ in this sense. Little by little the Pope is trying to purify it.” He added: “One can understand them [members of the lobby] and there is pastoral legislation to attend to them, but what is wrong cannot be truth.”

The Pope acknowledged the presence of a homosexual network of priests at the Vatican during a private conversation with leaders of a Latin American confederation of religious in June 2013. In the context of saying he found reform of the Roman Curia difficult, the Pope said: "The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and it is true, it is there … We need to see what we can do."

He alluded to it again a month later, telling reporters on the plane back from Rio de Janeiro that “you must distinguish between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of someone forming a lobby, because not all lobbies are good. This one is not good.”

A homosexual lobby was also suspected to have been influential on both Synods on the Family when controversial passages relating to homosexuals made their way into the interim report during the 2014 meeting despite being hardly discussed, and external lobby groups sought to pressure the participants.

There was also a common perception that the Communion for remarried divorcees issue, which dominated both synods, was a “Trojan horse” to allow Church recognition of same-sex relationships and other extra-marital unions. (My comment: If someone in an adulterous  marriage or two unmarried people living as a couple that mocks marriage are allowed to receive Holy Communion, then anyone in a state of unrepentant mortal sin will be allowed, encouraged to receive Holy Communion as though the Host is a magic bullet that will purified them of their mortal sin or create forgiveness and Full Communion with the Church defacto--it is a lie in other words and from Satan the father of lies.)


During last year’s synod, statements on homosexuality “seemed to come out of nowhere” at press briefings when the issue was hardly raised by synod fathers during the three week meeting.

The comments from the Pope and now Cardinal Rodriguez contradict those made by Father Krzysztof Charamsa, a homosexual Polish priest who was dismissed as an official at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith after publicly announcing his homosexuality just ahead of the Synod on the Family last October. He told Italian television he had "never met a gay lobby in the Vatican".

Also in the interview with Heraldo de Honduras, Cardinal Rodriguez was asked whether the Pope would ever support same-sex “marriage.”

“No,” he replied. “We must understand that there are things that can be reformed and others cannot. The natural law cannot be reformed. We can see how God has designed the human body, the body of the man and the body of a woman to complement each other and transmit life. The contrary is not the plan of creation. There are things that cannot be changed."

The cardinal also tried to reassure readers there would be “no major” changes to doctrine as part of the Pope's reforms. “We should not expect there will be major reforms in the doctrine of the Church. The reform is the organization of the curia.”

He also said there has not been much resistance to curial reform. “There is resistance of course, there are people who, precisely because they do not know the life of the Church, resist any changes.

“These, of course, are wrong attitudes,” he continued. “As I’ve said, to be able to understand the Church, we must see that it is not merely a human institution, it is humane-divine, it is natural and supernatural and, by consequence, there are things that do not really depend on what is human.” (My comment: If this statement isn't pre-Vatican II then I don't know what is, but pre-Vatican II isn't bad, it can be very, very good!)