Bottom line, those who are TLMphobic want to control anything that smacks of the pre-Vatican II Church and especially anything they don’t understand, can’t comprehend and mystifies them. They fear it so much, they can’t stand those who aren’t TLMphobic, who do understand it, comprehend it and love the mysticism of the TLM.
But, and this is a big but, they hate and fear anything that calls into question pastoral reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Their entire faith is in Vatican II, not God. Their faith is in reform and the Church constantly reforming. It really is all about manipulation of social structures and making sure everyone is walking lockstep in unity in those reforms, not Jesus Christ.
In addition to their faith being sidelined to Vatican II, they also have faith in Vatican II’s ecclesiology, Vatican II’s call to active participation and Vatican II’s call to destroy the clergy and religious life and substitute lay leadership. Their real faith, actually, is not only not in God, it isn’t really in Vatican II either! It’s in the spirit of Vatican II that morphs into whatever manipulation of Vatican II and its spirit that these people want.
They also have a death wish
By this I mean they refuse to look at and are in complete denial about what has happened to the Church since Vatican II and how progressive religious orders, as a result of implementing the spirit of Vatican II, are now on life support with many others completely gone including their once vibrant institutions, like their schools, universities, hospitals and social outreach ministries to the poor.
They think that the drop in Mass participation from about 90% in 1965 to about 5% to 20% today is a result of other things not connected to the spirit of Vatican II’s implementation of Vatican II but to other social changes in society.
They loved when Pope Francis nipped the TLM movement in the bud with Traditionis Custodis, because it was blossoming when given free rein to bishops, priests and laity. What this did to the psyche of 1960’s Vatican II’s spirit warriors cannot be underestimated, with Pope Francis being the front for it.
They want the clock turned back to the papacy of St. Pope Paul VI, a completely backwardist approach and they, for the time being, have succeeded. But that success is a mirage.
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These are angry, sick people with arrested emotional development. They are angry liberals who cannot stand the fact that their worldview is being rejected, after all, they bask in their self-appointed superiority. We see this same dynamic in the media, politics and academia. As they say, no one is more illiberal than a liberal.
Normal people are thrilled to see young French people march to Chartres to see the TLM celebrated or engaged in the Summorum Pilgrimage in Rome.
Anyone who has attended a TLM in a parish context has seen that the congregation is generally young, large, families who are the future of the Church, not the bitter pantsuited, grey haired nuns or aging ad-libber priests and bishops railing against the TLM.
If the reform of the TLM had not been carried out in such a ham handed and radical manner, if it resembled the reforms described in Sacrosanctum Concilium, we might have not found ourselves where we are today. But "Brand X" created by Bugnini is not spiritually satisfying and it has failed countless millions. Younger clergy and lay Catholics get it and are trying to do something positive about the situation.
"...they hate and fear anything that calls into question pastoral reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Their entire faith is in Vatican II, not God. Their faith is in reform and the Church constantly reforming. It really is all about manipulation of social structures and making sure everyone is walking lockstep in unity in those reforms, not Jesus Christ."
This is rubbish. You fail to make any attempt to gain any understanding of why people do not favor the TLM. You offer a no substantive analysis of why there are people opposed to the re-introduction of the TLM. You falsely accuse those who do not agree with you of having heterodox faith in reform rather than in Jesus Christ.
This is the oh-so typical irrational - there's the key word, IRRATIONAL - accusation, of those who lack the capacity to move beyond emotional outbursts, spleen venting, and straw man construction.
I hit a nerve in you thus you better check it out with a counselor. It’s not a matter that those who don’t like the TLM, it is those who dislike it who want to keep others who like it from not having it. Pure and simple and you are the poster child for what what I say in my post—lack of self-awareness again.
LOL - no sale. You vote for Abortion as healthcare and child mutilation. Talk about IRRATIONAL. Instead of Jack Daniels, try drinking orange juice for breakfast (unless "orange" triggers you!)
Fr. ALLAN McDonald - You hit no nerve. And you give yourself too much credit in thinking you did.
Despite your irrationality, I do not "hate" the TLM. I've explained many times on this blog why I am not in favor of restoring its use. Either you have ignored those posts or you are simply too dim to understand them.
Telling on yourself again, Padree, and you don't ever pick up on it.
Nick
Preferences will naturally vary between people. I do not question why anyone would prefer the new Mass; De gustibus non est disputandum. But why do those who demand the freedom to depart from traditional forms insist on preventing others from maintaining them? And yes, Fr. Kavanaugh, that includes you. You have made it abundantly clear that not only would you prevent another priest from celebrating the old Mass at your parish, but that you would also prevent him celebrating the new Mass in a traditional, i.e. like the old Mass, manner. You have also made clear your contempt for those who want to celebrate the old Mass. How much peace would return to the Church if everyone just took a live and let live attitude? The intolerance of the prophets of tolerance is mind boggling.
Father, I fear you are up against the ‘ what I like religion’ - it looks like catholicism but in fact is a very dilute version. The Lord made mention as the seed fell on rocks, I believe.
Hey dare you question the All Highest K who is omniscient! Just ask him!
Hey Father McDonald, this column of yours was picked up at The Big Pulpit today!
Father K: seething
Anthony - I have answered your questions in many previous posts.
Maybe you think directions for the placement of pinkie fingers on the altar mensa ("bowing moderately, the priest rests his joined hands on the edge of the altar, the tips of his little fingers against the front of the edge, as he says silently the Orámus te, Dómine:) are essential traditions. I would say plainly they are not.
Returning to such "traditions" is of no benefit to the faithful, whether they are TLM adherents or not. These sorts of things do not advance the Kingdom of God. Let's put our efforts into what does accomplish that goal.
David - The Lord also made reference to "whitened sepulchres" and to those who pay tithes on mint and rue.
"The Lord also made reference to "whitened sepulchres"
That sounds like someone who pretends to be a priest but votes for the Party of Moloch. Not much selfawareness, Pal.
Is there an AA in Savannah? Consider it!
Speaking of “the oh-so typical irrational . . . accusation, of those who lack the capacity to move beyond . . . straw man construction.”
Always good for a laugh, Padre.
Nick
Not to mention proving Anthony’s point about your contempt both clearly and immediately. I couldn’t parody it better if I tried.
Nick
Fr. Kavanaugh,
You do not want to do these things? Fine. But why to you care if others do? Is preventing others from continuing traditional practices essential? Does preventing others from saying the old Mass or saying the new Mass using legitimate options that continue practices from the old Mass advance the Kingdom of God? Why this intolerance of your fellow Catholics?
Nehemiah 2:3
And said unto the king, Let the king live for ever: why should not my countenance be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers' sepulchres, lieth waste, and the gates thereof are consumed with fire?
I'm struggling to hear a defensible reason against the TLM. Pinky placement, is preferable, "I don't like" as opposed to "I submit".
True, some will simply not care for the TLM or its rubrics. To me as an Easterner, it's demands are reassuring.
So, I return to why the most vocal truly care how a small minority of Catholics worship? What are they so afraid of if not their own sin being more front of mind when the modern books through their wording almost invite a dulling of such introspection.
There is no defensible reason. As to the Novus Bogus being the sacrament of unity with its hydra-headed options, that is totally a joke. It is also not "noble simplicity," at all.
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