Take this Charlotte, Detroit and San Antonio!
Holy Mass at the Chapel of the Carabinieri Station in Castel Gandolfo
And this semi-bombshell which Byrus might not like:
On the front page of Vatican News with Pope Leo celebrating Mass ad orientem, a communicant receives Holy Communion KNEELING!!!
(Maybe a Latin Rite Catholic receiving at a Ukrainian Rite Divine Liturgy????)
Kneeling Communicant on front page of Vatican News website with image of Pope Leo who celebrated Mass ad orientem above it! What does it mean? What does it mean? Oh, what does it mean????
Ad Orientem too, as is the historic norm for both the Eastern Rite and Latin Rite of the Catholic Church!
And then Pope Leo visited some cloistered nuns in their ultra traditional habits!
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I think our friend, ByzRus, is very fair minded!
Yes, and maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I just see the concelebrants and no Deacon or MC...he knew to turn around at the Ecce Agnus Dei...the average celebrant not used to ad orientem usually rely on someone telling them to "turn around"...
Thank you!
What's photographed is Divine Liturgy celebrated ad orientem from the vantage point of the "High Place" behind the holy table if they were in a church temple. Both are priests.
BOMBSHELL!
The new pope keeps appointing bishops that don't have any problem with the lavender agenda, since many of them are part of it. The pope has doubled down on the novel concept of synodality, insisting that we give a voice to the opinions of the worst catechized generations in history to make policy and we all genuflect before their voices as the voice of "The Spirit". The new pope appoints bishops and bureaucrats who continue to favor women's ordination. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! But LOOK! He says the Mass AD ORIENTUM! HE WEARS TRADITIONAL GARB! HE MOVED BACK INTO THE VATICAN APARTMENTS! HE'S SUMMERING AGAIN AT THE CASTELGANDOLFO!
This blog is becoming a tribute to the average Catholic's incredulity at the auto-destruction of what took 2000 years to build.
Ok, I understand now.
It's possible that's either a Ukrainian Catholic or Latin Catholic receiving while kneeling.
It's not our tradition and proper form should be maintained by attendees. That said, Eastern Catholics farther from Russia will tend to be more Orthodox. Eastern Catholics closer to Russia will tend to have more Latin tendencies. Why? Because of Russia and this obsession to not look too much alike. There's slang terms for this, Latinyak vs Vostochnik. This looks Latinyak!
Bravo!!!
Strictly speaking, indeed, it's not part of the Eastern Tradition to receive kneeling. I've received kneeling once myself, but oftentimes, this is when there is a shorter priest, and it's just easier to kneel than it is to try and crouch...Put another way, there's probably no need to read into the person kneeling...But as I'll continue to say, the West can't be taken seriously until it begins to respect its own tradition, especially Liturgically.
I'm certain you know more of the history than I do, but I know there was a Latinizing tendency in Russia that even found its way into Orthodox catechisms for a time (due to the cultural influences then present in Russia and its aim to be more like Western Europe). Does that in some way explain for openness for Latinization in liturgics among the Russians than in other Eastern Catholic places?
Marc,
Modernists exist in all our churches. It was a tidal wave for us in the 1950s in part driven by the Cold War and the notion of looking more Western, assimilated and American. It took us 50 years to shake it off. One the whole, the Byzantine Ruthenians are very "vostoc" relative to the Ukrainian Catholics. They tolerate certain practices we would not and have embraced RC practices as their own.
As for the Orthodox, like i said, the modernists are there, just not anywhere near the mega tsunami that infected and continues to infect the RC. Novelties in the US seem to exists in GO circles as best as I'm can tell.
Pope Leo wants the RC to "help" the Eastern Churches. I honestly cringe at the notion of a Fr. James Martin or Sister Joan Fuzzyhair taking "help" to the level of trying and failing miserably at explaining, interpreting, or reimagining Eastern spirituality through a Western lens the two are so different. Nice idea that I hope stays just that!
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