The outdated 1960’s apologetics, most of which are not just outdated but wrong, goes like this:
1. We must recover processing to receive Holy Communion as we are a walking, pilgrim people and the Holy Communion procession indicates this!
(WRONG!) Of course we have to process to the altar railing but not necessarily in any regimented, organized way. We all come to Christ in unique ways, but always by the grace of God who calls us! Secondly, the most important procession, the first procession is Christ processing to us! This is most evident in Eucharistic Processions, like the one Pope Leo led for Corpus Christi. It is Christ moving to us, around us and leading us that is important and comes first. The priest distributing Holy Communion to those at a railing makes clear the first and most important Eucharistic Procession! It is our Lord processing to us!!!!
2. Standing to receive Holy Communion recovers an older tradition and represents symbolically being raised up in Christ.
(RIGHT AND WRONG) Yes, it is an early tradition recovered in the Western Rites, but maintained by the Eastern Rites. However, no matter what position we receive Holy Communion, standing, kneeling, sitting, in bed lying down, we are raised up in Christ. It’s the act of worthily receiving Holy Communion where Christ raises us up to eternal life!
3. Receiving at the altar railing makes receiving Holy Communion a “Jesus and me” act rather than a “we” act. Kneeling is more individualistic rather than communal!
(WRONG AND SILLY AT THE SAME TIME!) Receiving Holy Communion kneeling or standing is always both individual and communal, not either/or, but both/and. In fact receiving Holy Communion as Jesus processes to all who are kneeling together at the altar railing makes receiving even more communal than going up individually to the “minister” of Holy Communion.
In conclusion, receiving standing, in the hand and on the move contributes to more sacrilege and desecration of the Most Blessed Sacrament than kneeling for Holy Communion and receiving on the tongue.
Across the theological spectrum priests agree that the modern way to receive Holy Communion has so many abuses, from the silly and unauthorized ways people receive by hand, to people walking off with the Host and people sharing what they have in their hand with young children or people remaining at the pew.
All of us priests, no matter the theological spectrum, report that even when we give a brief catechesis prior to distributing Holy Communion about the proper way to receive Holy Communion by hand or by tongue, people ignore what was just said and do what they want no matter how illicit! Grabbing the Host is the biggest problem along with walking off with the Host.
All priests polled have found Hosts in pews, hymnals and on the floor after Mass over the years. We know too that some take the Host for satanic purposes or for good luck charms or souvenirs.
And studies show that not only do infrequent Modern Mass attendees, but also regular modern Mass attendees, do not believe what the Church teaches to be true about Transubstantiation and the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. Nor do they believe that anyone should be excluded nor themselves even if in a state of mortal sin or estrangement from God and the Church.
23 comments:
Most '70s apologetics regarding sacred liturgy in the RC are outdated. When you step away from that world, it becomes apparent.
Yes, we Easterners stand to receive. We stand in reverence, awe, active participation, sacrifice (sitting is easier and passive), it's traditional to do so and it acknowledges the resurrection. That's our tradition. The RC should adhere to its traditions for the reasons they became normative.
I still cannot accept any Catholic man utilizing a 'man bun'. It still is effeminate and is representative of an emasculating culture.
He comes from a supper traditional family and he is quite traditional himself. Even at the TLM Mass in Savannah, a lot of guys have it. Go figure.
I'm happy to hear. He's on his own journey. Hopefully, he'll snap out of his effeminate phase and realize that the zeitgeist offers nothing but death. In his case, the death of his masculine genius.
Not a look I'm particularly fond of, I buzz mine to nothing, but, if that's what he likes, so be it!
Pick any decade out of a hat, and it would be better than the 1960s where every idiotic notion was promoted. I recall the most over used word when it came to the reform of the Mass. They were only trying to make it more "meaningful." Well, they did not ask me. I preferred Latin and Gregorian Chant which was very meaningful to me!
"If TC remains in place..."
How could Pope Leo XIV possibly leave Traditionis Custodes in place? There is supposed "smoking gun" proof that said document is rotten and evil to its core.
Pope Francis promulgated supposedly vile, destructive, untruthful teachings via Traditionis Custodes.
Therefore, it is unimaginable that with supposed "smoking gun" proof in abundance, a holy Pope would leave the supposed evil, vile, destructive Traditionis Custodes in place.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT, it’s like this. The pope wanted TC. He is the Supreme Pontiff. He did not need to do a survey and then lie about the results. He could have been honest, recognized that the majority of bishops agreed with Summorum Pontificum, but he disagreed and wants only the modern form of the Mass. no lying, just supreme authority which every pope has.
By the way, it remains to be seen how Pope Leo will use his supreme power to correct the injustice done to Pope Benedict and those, in good faith, who embraced Summorum Pontificum, to included bishops, some cardinals. The injustice is lying about the reason for suppressing SP and a previous pontiff’s liturgical magisterium and then causing even more liturgical polarization and animus toward the reigning pope.
Father McDonald, it does not matter that Pope Francis (requiescat in pace), as you declared, "could have been honest, recognized that the majority of bishops agreed with Summorum Pontificum, but he disagreed and wants only the modern form of the Mass. no lying, just supreme authority which every pope has."
That is ancient history. Besides, we have a different Pope. Ownership of Traditionis Custodes belongs to Pope Leo XIV.
For more than two months, Pope Leo XIV has maintained Traditionis Custodes as official Church beaching. If Traditionis Custodes is the evil, rotten to its core motu proprio that you have claimed, then Pope Leo XIV has continued to inflict evil upon the Church.
Therefore His Holiness must destroy Traditionis Custodes today. He must acknowledge the supposed Satanic teachings that Pope Francis, via Traditionis Custodes, inflicted upon the Church.
Pope Leo XIV's Magisterium contains Traditionis Custodes.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Who knew you would become so anti Francis. But at least Pope Francis waited 11 years before creating the document you call Satanic! Wow. Who knows how long Leo will wait to adjust it or acknowledge the injustices? He worked fast, though,with Pope Francis’ Syro-Malabar debacle.
In regard to the claim that Traditionis Custodes is an evil, falsehood-riddled document: Well, Houston, we have a problem. We have a grave problem.
Traditionis Custodes is official Magisterial teaching within Holy Mother Church. Therefore, the True Church teaches error/evil.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald, if you are free to insist that Traditionis Custodes features lies, than liturgical scholar Peter Kwasniewski is free to declare that Summorum Pontificum contains lies, which he has. (By the way, he is not the only person to have made that claim.)
Peter Kwasniewski:
"Thus, we can see that Summorum Pontificum contains profound tensions within itself, inasmuch as it reflects and reinforces certain false principles of ecclesiology and liturgy that led to the very crisis to which it was a partial response. In fact, it would not be too much to say that there are fictions, even lies, in the document."
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Father McDonald, in regard to your claims that pertain to Traditionis Custodes, as well as Peter Kwasniewski's Summorum Pontificum-related claims: With all due respect, I will rely upon Holy Mother Church's teachings.
The Church's holy Magisterium is unassailable. The Magisterium is protected from the promulgation of lies/evil.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald, based upon your claims related to Traditionis Custodes, is not said motu proprio Satanic?
But should you believe that Traditionis Custodes is a holy, orthodox motu proprio, then I apologize to you.
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Traditionis Custodes is official Church teaching. The Church is protected from teaching evil to Her spiritual children. Correct?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Someone has a screw loose and it’s not Father McDonald
A motu proprio is not an infallible document so it can be tossed aside, particularly a corrupt and evil document based on lies like Traditionis Custodes i
Wow MT, you’re doubling down on this Satanic thing, which you freely throw around against Pope Francis and other things. It must be a subconscious thing with you. I prefer to use the term sinful, not for TC, but the lie used to justify suppressing SP altogether and the injustice and hurt inflicted on the 94 year old emeritus pope and all those who embraced his liturgical magisterium. Pope Leo can’t ask forgiveness for what Pope Francis did, but he can apologize for the lie. He can keep TC if he discerns that banning the TLM is the way to go, but listing honest reasons. Satani, no. I think you are the only one who promotes that. Sinful? yes the lie is.
Father McDonald,
You may find this article by Monsignor Butule on the decline of liberal Catholicism interesting:
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2025/07/13/the-decline-of-liberal-catholicism/
Father McDonald,
What do you think of this?
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2025/07/14/fr-james-martins-homosophistry-takes-advantage-of-a-clear-double-standard/
I must admit that I have the desire to find a pair of scissors whenever I see one in real life. Fortunately, there are never any around when they are needed. :-)
MT, even I am finding you to be very tiring of late.
Larry Chapp usually writes volumes. But in this concise statement sums it up quite well.
I guess MT Suit is looking desperately for authority that the evil Motu Proprio "Traditiones Custodes" issued by a corrupt Pope is "infallible."
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