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Thursday, May 21, 2020

LIKE THE PANDEMIC EXACERBATING COMMON CHALICE, SHOULDN’T APPLAUSE AT LITURGIES CEASE ESPECIALLY WHEN BISHOPS APPLAUD EACH OTHER GIVEN THE PANDEMIC THEY HAVE CAUSED?

There is no humility when at ordinations of bishops, priests and deacons, there is self-congratulatory applause for each other at these liturgies. Let’s recover the sobriety of the Latin Rite Liturgy. Ban not only the pandemic producing common chalice but also applause at any kind at Mass.


27 comments:

Anonymous said...

The ordinands can prevent the applause by stating that they'll open the books on who covered up for sex abuse, who covered up for McCarrick and who destroyed all the files.

TJM said...

Congratulating themselves on 60 years of failure. How special

Anonymous said...

Bee here:

Pardon me, but did this new bishop not have access to a comb and razor?

Applause of any kind in church, in my opinion, is degrading. It makes me very ashamed. It is as if the dignity of the celebration and persons are being lowered by some kind of common cat-calling and hooting. I think they deserve better than that, and deserve true honor, not base responses.

I hope bishops and priests will begin to act with true dignity, not as if they are at a casual sporting event or at the curtain call of a dinner/theater production.

God bless.
Bee

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Amen! Bee.

TJM said...

Father McDonald,

I second that!

ByzRC said...

"Anonymous TJM said...
Congratulating themselves on 60 years of failure. How special"

What TJM said....Fortunately, this need for positive reinforcement is, generally, not a characteristic of the Eastern Churches.

Anonymous said...

What a schlub.

UK-Priest said...

How have Bishops caused the pandemic? What total nonsense!

It’s a shame you chose to use your blog in this way to foster discontent and confusion causing division within the body of Christ.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Dense UK priest, the sex abuse pandemic.

TJM said...

Father McDonald,

Bravo!

Ps: I still think UK Priest is Anonymous K

ByzRC said...

"Anonymous UK-Priest said...
How have Bishops caused the pandemic? What total nonsense!

It’s a shame you chose to use your blog in this way to foster discontent and confusion causing division within the body of Christ"

To YOU! Not us. Write such that you aren't making statements on our behalf. Last, if it's so bad then, stop reading/commenting.

Anonymous said...

UK-Priest, as the saying goes: “Hard-headed can make you stupid.”

TJM said...

ByzRC,

I suspect UK "Priest" is an avid Tablet aka Bitter Pill reader! I wish he would go peddle his tripe over at Father Z. He would receive an epic takedown

Anonymous said...

I completely agree. Our pastor here in Savannah has asked us to "thank" the choir with applause, as if they were performing for us (especially on Christmas and Easter); he's solicited applause for the children during the mass in which they made their First Communion (which to some extent, spoiled the beauty and dignity of the occasion for me); and when we have a visiting priest assisting him at Sunday mass, he begins with the greeting "(i)n the name of the Father, and of the Son....", then follows with "good morning, everybody!," then introduces the priest and solicits applause for him (he always "greets" us with "good morning/afternoon," even though I'm there to worship the Lord, not "greet" the priest during mass - that's for after mass). He seems to completely forget that the Lord is in His tabernacle just a few feet away and we are there to worship him, not participate in activities appropriate to a football game.

TJM said...

Maybe your pastor should applaud the congregation for showing up!

Anonymous said...

Isn't it part of the ordination ceremony that the congregation applaud to show their agreement that the man is a suitable candidate for ordination? Thus happens BEFORE the actual ordination.

Anonymous said...

"The ordinands can prevent the applause by stating that they'll open the books on who covered up for sex abuse, who covered up for McCarrick and who destroyed all the files."

Actually, in that case I would WANT to applaud!!!

rcg said...

The ones to whom the Mass is directed should show their appreciation by what ever means is within their powers, however limited.

From Khouri said...

I am dense; Father, are you saying giving the Precious Blood to the laity is a cause of spreading the virus?

If so why has there not been major outbreaks of influenza and other highly communicable diseases in the past.

Wouldn't it be better to simply say you feel that the Lord's Blood should be withheld from the laity?

Anonymous said...

“Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.Such attraction fades quickly – it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.” then-Cardinal Ratzinger, The Spirit of the Liturgy(Ignatius Press, 2000)

Charles G said...

I don't like applause in Church either, but I thought it was permissible in connection with the celebration of sacraments, like when there is applause for the neophytes at the Easter Vigil? Having lived in Asia, I can say that the Filipinos generally clap at the end of each and every mass. It is unfortunately become an entrenched custom.

JR said...

Here's my list of what the bishops and priests should stop doing when Mass opens up again and things get "back to normal" to make the Mass more reverent:
a) stop ad-libbing like an emcee at the beginning of Mass;
b) stop skipping the Penitential Act and going right to the Kyrie;
c) stop only doing one of the three Penitential Act options Sunday after Sunday and also do the Rite of Blessing and Sprinkling Holy Water once in a while and not just at the Easter Vigil. Some variety is nice;
d) stop using the throw-away pew Missals that have too many songs that sound like TV show and movie theme songs, and invest in good hard covered hymnals with mostly traditional and reverent hymns;
e) stop having the people clap for the choir, the new altar servers, the visitors, those having birthdays and/or anniversaries, those returning to the parish, those who received civic awards, etc. etc. NO MORE CLAPPING! EVER! Mass is supposed to be about worshiping GOD...not each other;
f) stop having the people sing the secular "Happy Birthday Song" which the family will sing later at home when they get their cake and presents. How about giving them instead the birthday blessing from the Book of Blessings...same for anniversaries, too.
g) stop Communion from the cup; if people want to receive the Precious Blood, give Communion by intinction;
h) stop telling jokes and personal stories and talking about the favorite sports team winning or losing at the homily and stick to explaining how the Scriptures can have meaning to us.
i) stop only using Eucharistic Prayer II, which is meant for weekdays on Sunday because "it's the shortest" week after week. Variety is the spice of life;
j) stop being willing to do "just the minimum" and not prepare properly for the liturgies, especially Holy Week when the liturgy is very different and people are trying to follow along;
k) stop allowing people to socialize in the body of the church before and after Mass when some people are actually trying to pray and not be distracted by talking and laughter;
l) stop allowing people to chew gum all during Mass (what do they do with the wad when they go up for Communion?) Oh, and checking their cell phones during Mass;
m) stop the "kidney brigade" of youngsters getting up and strolling to the bathroom all during Mass because they're bored. It's distracting;
n) stop the "meet and greet" hand shaking at the beginning of Mass and at the Rite of Peace where some people think they have to shake hands with everyone within 25 feet of them. Also the hand-holding at the Lord's Prayer.
o) stop 'canonizing' people at their funeral. Preach more about sin and the Sacrament of Penance.

I could probably go all the way to z), but that's enough to make a point.

Anonymous said...

JR - Yes, you point is well taken.

That is, the Mass is about you, your personal prayer, your preferences, your predilections, your pet-peves.

You are a shining example of what is wrong, not with the Church, but with our culture at large. "Me Me Me"

TJM said...

Anonymous K,

I think JR is basically saying is: say the black, do the red, in stark contrast to many priests

ByzRC said...

Anonymous,

What crap/nonsense. Now it's JR's fault that he wants quality, not a variety show? The people have a right to good liturgy which is markedly different from what's called for and what's being described.

Anonymous said...

Koury (above commenter): "koury means priest for those who do not know that. But if you are a priest you know (as a layman ought to know) that one does not need to receive from the chalice to receive the Precious Blood. We receive the Living Glorified Christ in either specie, bread or wine.

John Nolan said...

Omnes gentes, plaudite manibus; jubilate Deo in voce exsultationis. (O clap your hands, all ye nations; shout unto God with the voice of joy.) Psalm 46.

So I suppose you can get away with it by saying that the applause is not for the bishop, but for God who has seen fit to choose him.

When a concert was given in a church or cathedral (and I'm talking Anglican) it was customary to request no applause. It still happens, but is becoming rarer.

After Sunday Mass the organist, whose role has hitherto been to accompany, has the chance to shine as a soloist, and play some of the most sublime organ music ever written. Most of the congregation are leaving and he ends up playing to an almost empty church. To me this shows disrespect to both performer and composer. I stay until he has finished and yes, I applaud. The poor fellow deserves no less.