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Friday, February 3, 2012

THE EXCOMMUNICATION OF FATHER FEENEY AND THE USE OF EXCOMMUNICATION FOR PUBLIC PERSONS WHO ARE CATHOLIC AND FLAUNT THE MORAL TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THUS LEAD OTHERS AND NOT ONLY CATHOLICS INTO MORAL APOSTACY

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Father Leonard Feeney had a storied life, first as a well-known Roman Catholic writer; he later fell from favour with the Roman Catholic Church after he insisted that only Roman Catholics can go to heaven and that everyone else will be damned.

On 8 August 1949, the Holy Office sent an official declaration of the meaning of the dogma extra Ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation), which Feeney refused to accept.[3] After repeatedly refusing summons to Rome, Feeney was excommunicated on 13 February 1953 by the Holy See for persistent disobedience to legitimate Church authority, and the decree of excommunication was later published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis. His followers said that his excommunication was invalid because Feeney was not given a reason for his summons.[4] Following his excommunication, Feeney set up a community called the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.[1][2][5] He was reconciled to the Roman Catholic Church in 1972, but was not required to retract or recant his interpretation of "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus", which is inscribed on his tombstone [6] . Speaking two decades after the controversy Cardinal Avery Dulles judged Feeney's doctrine on a series of lectures not having to do with "extra Ecclesiam..." to be quite sound.[citation needed](Dulles' reflections on Feeney's life did not endorse Feeney's views on extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, and spoke only to his theology, not his political views on issues such as Zionism.)[7]
[edit] The Point

Feeney was editor of "The Point," which ran a mixture of theological and political articles, many of them branded anti-semitic by Feeney's critics. The newsletter frequently contained sentiments such as:

"Those two powers, the chief two in the world today, are Communism and Zionism. That both movements are avowedly anti-Christian, and that both are in origin and direction Jewish, is a matter of record." (September 1958)
"As surely and securely as the Jews have been behind Freemasonry, or Secularism, or Communism, they are behind the “anti-hate” drive. The Jews are advocating tolerance only for its destructive value — destructive, that is, of the Catholic Church. On their part, they still keep alive their racial rancors and antipathies." (January 1959)

A single year, 1957, saw the following article titles:

January: "Jewish Invasion of Our Country--Our Culture Under Siege"
February: "When Everyone Was Catholic--The Courage of the Faith in the Thirteenth Century"
March: "Dublin's Briscoe Comes to Boston"
April: "The Fight for the Holy City--Efforts of the Jews to Control Jerusalem"
May: "Our Lady of Fatima Warned Us"
June: "The Rejected People of Holy Scripture: Why the Jews Fear the Bible"
July: "The Judaising of Christians by Jews--Tactics of the Church's Leading Enemies"
August: "A Sure Defense Against the Jews--What Our Catholic Bishops Can Do for Us"
September: "An Unholy People in the Holy Land--The Actions of the Jews"
October: "The Jewish Lie About Brotherhood--the Catholic Answer--Israeli Brotherhood"
November: "Six Pointers on the Jews"

Feeney has been described as Boston's homegrown version of Father Charles Coughlin, a priest also accused of antisemitism.[8]

The young Robert Kennedy attended a meeting of students during his Harvard days at which he stood up and challenged Feeney, later storming out, following the priest's assertion that there was no salvation outside the Catholic faith.[9]


MY COMMENTS APPLYING WHAT OCCURRED TO FATHER FEENEY TO CATHOLIC POLITICIANS WHO LEAD OTHERS INTO MORAL APOSTASY CONCERNING THE CHURCH CLEAR, UNAMBIGUOUS, AUTHORITATIVE AND INFALLIBLE MORAL TEACHINGS ON NATURAL LAW REVEALING DIVINE LAW AND THUS AVAILABLE TO ALL, NOT JUST CATHOLICS, AND THE ROLE OF SCRIPTURE, TRADITION AND ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CATHOLIC BELIEVER.

Through the years, I often wondered where my father learned his antisemitism in pre-Vatican II times (renounced that after Vatican II). And then this morning a light bulb went off in my head: it was through Father Feeney and Father Coughlin (the national radio priest)both of whom would have been contemporaries of my father or of his youthful generation.

Father Feeney was excommunicated by the Holy Father, himself, Pope Pius XII in 59 years ago, a little more than a week from now, on February 13th. It was because he refused to submit to ecclesiastical authority and temper his beliefs about "outside the Church there is no salvation" which was being nuanced by the Church even in the 1940's which led to a clear and unambiguous teaching which is also authoritative and normative for Catholics in the documents of Vatican II.

This brings us to Catholic politicians worldwide who use their public and thus moral influence to lead people into moral indifference our our right moral apostasy. I think of Kathleen Sebelius, Nancy Pelosi, Joseph Biden, Edward Kennedy and the governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo just to name a few.

They persist in promoting themselves, their political candidacy and their secularized view of morality completely in contradiction to the Church and yet still profess to be Catholics in good standing and make a point of receiving Holy Communion and if the Holy Father is in town at his Masses!

It is long past due for bishops and perhaps even the Holy Father to place a censure against them denying them Holy Communion since these people have broken Communion with the Church in the most serious and public way possible or to excommunicate them outright as Father Feeney was.

Censure and Excommunication are compassionate on two fronts. It is compassionate to Catholics who are confused and misled by these politicians and thus brings division to the Church and moral apostasy on a wide scale. It is a pastoral act of charity to those excommunicated to public repent and renounce their mortal sin of moral apostasy and thus be reconciled to the Church in a public way with the lifting of the public excommunication.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Long past due...INDEED!

Sin of omission to not do it?
Cooperating with scandal by quietly allowing these folks to mislead others into error?

~SqueekerLamb

qwikness said...

It's probably a political game. The Church has a sense of security in Western nations, protected by the law. Rocking the boat will perturb some excommunicated official thereby bringing the wrath of Nero upon the Bishop and Catholic community. Bishops probably think they are protecting their flock and themselves. Excommunication can also be used as a badge of honor by some of these guys, Cuomo in particular. It would cause a huge sensation by the media. I can't even imagine.

Joe Shlabotnick said...

If you look up Wikipedia's entry on Fr. Leonard Feeney, you will also find this:

He was reconciled to the Roman Catholic Church in 1972, but was not required to retract or recant his interpretation of "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus", which is inscribed on his tombstone . Speaking two decades after the controversy Cardinal Avery Dulles judged Feeney's doctrine on a series of lectures not having to do with "extra Ecclesiam..." to be quite sound.[citation needed](Dulles' reflections on Feeney's life did not endorse Feeney's views on extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, and spoke only to his theology, not his political views on issues such as Zionism.)"

Cardinal Cushing, who himself was enchanted by the entire Kennedy mystique, had a very personal reason for trying to punish Fr. Feeney: His sister was married to a Jewish man.

So if Cardinal Cushing, who engineered Feeney's excommunication had a personal beef with Fr. Feeney and if he never had to retract his statements to be reinstated in the Church, what then, does "Nuanced" mean? Does it mean that this teaching has actually changed? Or has its interpretation changed? If there is a possibility that one can by saved without being a member of the Church, what should we do in the name of "ecumenism"; let our separated brethren persist in their error without pointing out to them that they can only possibly be saved, or do we teach what the Church has always taught?

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Joe, what I lifted from Wikipedia includes what you highlight. In fact I think that Fr. Feeney was actually excommunicated for his anti-Jewish sentiments that he made well known even after he was excommunicated. I think the "no salvation outside the Church" was minor in comparison to his antisemitism. Keep in mind that he was warned as far back as 1949 which is only four years after World War II and the eye-opening reality of what the Holocaust actually wrought was only beginning to be known. For a priest in this period of time of becoming aware of the actual horrors of the Holocaust and on an international level to be promoting antisemitism and virulently so is what led to the Holy Father's excommunication of him so that it was known to the world that this could not be tolerated in the Church--the "no salvation outside of the Church" is minor in comparison to that and the local bishop could have excommunicated on his own with the papal excommunication. The level from which this excommunication came is very powerful and symbolic of the times when the world gasped at what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.
But my point is that bishops have power to excommunicate and sometimes the issues are so serious that the pope has to do it for symbolic reasons. The protection of the unborn should cause the world to gasp when it isn't present and the millions killed by abortionists and abortions should cause the world to gasp even more, and thus the need to act on this on an international level with Catholic who are public and pro-choice.

Joe Shlabotnick said...

Oh yeah, I skimmed so quickly, that I knee-jerked into commenting before noticing that you had posted the info on his excommunication being lifted. I agree that his anti-semitism, if that's what he really was, was a far more serious problem. How ironic it is that the same pope that historical revisionists have tried to sell us as anti-semitic is the one who excommunicates a priest for anti-semitic remarks.

It's just always bothered me that Cardinal Cushing, a man with a few skeletons of his own in the closet, was behind this excommunication for what has always appeared to be personal reasons. I think faithfulness to the Church should be more important than personal loyalties to one's family, especially for a Prince of the Church.

Anonymous said...

Joe Shlabotnick wrote: "It's just always bothered me that Cardinal Cushing, a man with a few skeletons of his own in the closet, was behind this excommunication for what has always appeared to be personal reasons."

[Citation needed]

Templar said...

Wasn't Joe Shlabotnick the name of Charlie Brown's Baseball idol?

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Yes, more than likely peter ignotus

Anonymous said...

Dang, Joe, you had a good point going until that last part about skeletons. It aslmost sound like it either bothered you that an anti-Semite priest was excommunicated, or that a person who had sin chose to do the right thing.

rcg

Joe Shlabotnick said...

I won't bother citing anything, because it's too easy to just google it up on the internet. Cushing was just a bit too friendly with the Kennedy's for my tastes. Only a fool would have been unaware of Joe Kennedy Sr.'s constant marital infidelities, his bootlegging past and his son's assertion that he was not going to be influenced by his faith when elected president. This set the template for the kind of episcopal relationships we see with the USCCB today: Slobbering all over liberal politicians and selling out the faithful. If you think I'm wrong just look at what the Obama administration is doing to the Catholics dupes who supported him. The chickens are coming home to roost. It was bishops like Cushing who helped construct this henhouse.

Anonymous said...

Citation:

"This idea of saying she's excommunicated, that she's a public sinner—what a lot of nonsense. Only God knows who is a sinner and who is not. Why can't she marry whomever she wants?"

The speaker defending Jackie Kennedy's marriage to Aristotle Onassis was no gossip columnist or pundit—indeed, few society reporters were so disposed. He was Richard Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Prince of the Holy Roman Church and—as it turned out last week—foremost a friend in need.

The cardinal made his defense of Jackie at a meeting of Boston's Caritas Guild, composed of the city's licensed beverage executives, and...

Read more of this scandal: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,839610,00.html#ixzz1lQeIfhWN

Templar said...

Well, who ever Joe may be, if he's Pater it doesn't sound like him, and if it is Pater, it's got to be one of those rare occasions where I agree with what he's saying.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I'm not defending the Cardinal, nor condemning him. What happened to Fr. Feeney he brought on himself.

But the way the Church leaders contorted themselves to support the Kennedy's was a true scandal. I suppose it could have been the moral basis for the sex abuse scandal that erupted in Boston.

All in all I truly think all of this is wonderful opportunity to deal with a lot of corrupt and even evil people in a Christ like manner. We have to think carefully how we move and what we want the world to see in our actions. It could validate either our Church, or their opinions.

rcg

Joe Shlabotnick said...

I am not Pater Ignoramus or whomever. The message is more important than the messenger.

Anonymous said...

As an old time Bostonian, I suggest you check out the possibility that part of the disciplinary action against Father Feeney also involved his refusal of a transfer from the Boston SJ community to Holy Cross (we used to call BC the SJ school of culture and Holy Cross the SJ school of agriculture, as it was in then relatively rural Worcester!). There were other personalities involved as well: Fr McEleny was the SJ provincial. They used to say he was "rewarded" with the Archdiocese of Jamaica. And Bishop (later) Cardinal John Wright was involved too somehow. SJs around Weston in my time used to say that Wright worked pro Feeney's excommunication when that was politically advantageous to him and against it when reconciliation had become the Church's goal (1970s). Also, it was a young Humberto Medeiros who, impressed with Feeney's eloquence, vowed to do everything he could to bring him back into communion if he ever had the power to do so. And as Cardinal Archbishop of Boston, he fulfilled that vow. Of course Boston's Archbishop is still utterly silent about Kennedy's, Kerry's and every other Boston Catholic politican's public dissent. Indeed Cardinal O'Malley was pictured in the press bowing and grinning and shaking hands with our Abortionist-in-Chief during Ted Kennedy's funeral-canonization, conducted by an SJ and violating every liturgical norm imaginable. No wonder Sebelius, Biden and Pelosi don't give a damn.

Christopher said...

This reminds me our Lord's Word to His disciples in the Holy Gospel according to St. Matthew X, 37-39

"He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. [38] And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. [39] He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it."

We cannot love anything of this world above God and expect Him to "confess us before His Father in Heaven." I pray that some of the bishops in this country not love their status and "protection" so much that souls are viciously attacked by the wolves of the world (Acts of the Apostles XX, 28-30).

I've done research on Fr. Feeney and I find a lot what he said about the Sacrament of Baptism very insulting to the Church. No one has any right to go against the Magisterium of the Church lest they blaspheme the Holy Ghost who is present in the Church.

Christopher

Anonymous said...

Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) could not object to the presence of Bishop Charles Morerod O.P at talks, since they too assume that we can telephone or meet non Catholics saved in these extra ordinary circumstances.

The former Rector of the Angelicum University, Rome has been appointed a bishop in Switzerland. He is also the Secretary of the International Theological Commission, the Pontifical Commission in Rome.

Bishop Charles Morerod, the new bishop of the Diocese of Lausanne,Switzerland is the former Rector of the Angelicum University and was a Professor of Dogmatic Theology .He was the moderator of a thesis by an Italian diocesan priest Fr.Francesco Giordano. The subject of Fr.Giordano’s thesis was extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He was granted a Licentiate while assuming that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known explicitly to us and so they are an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The dogma says all need to convert into the Church for salvation and does not mention any exceptions. Fr.Giordano is working for a doctorate on the same subject at the Opus Dei University in Rome, the Holy Cross Seminary.

For invincible ignorance etc to be an exception it would mean that these cases are known to us and we could even telephone or meet them.

In 2008 Cardinal Luis Ladaria Ferrer was appointed Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.In 2009 he resigned and was succeeded by Fr.Charles Morerod who is presently the Rector Magnificus of the Angelicum.The announcement of a new Rector at the Angelicum, the University of St.Thoams Aquinas,Rome is awaited.

Since 2005, Bishop Morerod is a member of the The Joint International Commission for the Theological Dialogue Between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church when he cannot affirm the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence which says specifically that all Orthodox Christians need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation. http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation

The Italian diocesan priest Fr. Francesco Giordano studying at the Holy Cross University, Rome and working for his doctorate on the subject of extra ecclesiam nulla salus says he affirms the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441.The ex cathedra dogma says all non Catholics, specifying, Jews, Protestants and Orthodox Christians, need to formally enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell, which has fire.

Fr. Giordano received his Licentiate from the University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome and the subject of his thesis there was outside the church there is no salvation. His moderator was Fr.Charles Morerod O.P.

The SSPX/FSSP also hold to the same errors as the liberals at the Aneglicum University, Rome. So no one objected to the doctrinal errors of the Vatican team which included Bishop Morerod.

How can a Catholic bishop not affirm in public an ex cathedra dogma and still offer Holy Mass ?

-Lionel Andrades
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ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY RECTOR REJECTS CHURCH TEACHING ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS REPRESENTED THE VATICAN AT FAILED TALKS WITH THE SSPX
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Fr.Charles%20Morerod%20O.P

DOMINICAN MASTER GENERAL APPOINTED DISSIDENT PRIEST-PROFESSOR AT ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/University%20of%20St.Thomas%20Aquinas%20Rome

ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY PRIEST- PROFESSOR REJECTS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS: HERESY AND SACRILEGE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/University%20of%20St.Thomas%20Aquinas%20Rome

ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY IS CHURNING OUT THEOLOGY DEGREES FOR THOSE WHO SAY FR.LEONARD FEENEY WAS EXCOMMUNICATED FOR REJECTING THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Angelicum

WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH AS DON BOSCO TAUGHT- Salesian Rector and Parish priest in Rome
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/we-do-not-know-anyone-saved-with.html

VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Fr. Davide Carbonaro
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/vatican-council-ii-affirms-cantate.html

Its a mortal sin to deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a sacrilege to receive the Eucharist in this condition- Fr. Gabrielle, priest of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/its-mortal-sin-to-deny-dogma-extra.html#links

THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF- Fr.George Puthoor
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/there-is-no-baptism-of-desire-that-we.html#links



LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html

FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/frtullio-rotondo-affirms-cantate-domino.html#links

CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html

BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links

CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#links

Anonymous said...

Fr. Allan J. McDonald
WIKIPEDIA'S ENTRY ON SALVATION MISREPRESENTS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

According to Wikipedia the Catholic Church does not teach exclusive salvation any more and Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) refers to the ordinary means of salvation.(See Salvation, Wikipeida).

It says “…all salvation comes through Christ.” never mentioning the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the need for all people to enter the Church.

Wikipedia says :'For Catholicism, Christ provides the Church with "the fullness of the means of salvation which [the Father] has willed: correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession." Then surprisingly the encyclopedia states:'To Catholic thinking, this does not mean that only Christians can enter heaven, for "By his death (Jesus, the Son of God) has conquered death, and so opened the possibility of salvation to all ."

This is false.We know that the ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (Ad Gentes 7,Lumen Gentium 14). If there is anyone saved in invincible ingnorance or the baptism of desire it would be known only to God so this is not the ordinary means of salvation nor even an issue. This is an error on Wikipedia. If they could make such a fundamental error here one does not know if there are similar errors on information provided on salvation in other religions.

Wikipedia states: ‘Thus, the Catholic Church clearly teaches that, although Christ is the Saviour of the human race, it is not necessary to know Him personally to be saved.’False. In general, it is necessary to know Jesus personally, to believe in Him and to be a member of the Catholic Church to be saved.

Wikipedia continues: ‘This is because Catholicism believes that the salvation, and reconciliation, of humanity took place when Christ died and rose again, and that this salvation applies to all people whether or not they realise this fact.’ This is false. Salvation is open to all people however to receive it they need to enter the Catholic Church .(Dominus Iesus 20).

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Wikipedia states: ‘This in no way means that Catholicism believes that all religions are equal..’.The Church teaches not only that all religions are not equal but that other religions are not paths to salvation. Wikipedia continues,'but merely that not everyone knows of Christ and that even those who do may have had the Gospel presented in such manner as to have turned them away (e.g. by missionaries who were poor examples of the Christian life).'


We do not know of any case on earth of someone saved who has not heard the Gospel preached to them, so why does Wikipedia make this an issue.?


In its Declaration on Religious Freedom, Dignitatis humanae, the same Vatican II also stated:

”This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.


Catholics allow others their right to religious freedom and also ask for the right to affirm their own faith, the Catholic Faith.They also ask that others not represent the Catholic Faith falsely as in the case of Wikipedia. Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 7) says all people need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid Hell).The followers of other religions are oriented to Hell.Wikipedia also needs to mention this passage in Vatican Council II.
Also those who know about the Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter cannot be saved.(Ad Gentes 7). This would include millions of educated non Catholics including the writers on Wikipedia.This too needs to be mentioned.


Catholics have the right to affirm this teaching and not be forced to accept the politically accepted one, thrust on us via Wikipedia and other media.


Wikipedia says. ‘The council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself. This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right"


Catholics also need to have their dignity recognized and their religious beliefs correctly reported and not have political propaganda forced on them.


It is reported on Wikipedia that salvation comes from the Jews. This means it needs to be clarified that it comes from the Promised Jewish Messiah, Jesus.So in this sense it comes from the Jews. Catholics are now the new Chosen People of God. The people of the everlasting Covenant.Salvation was won for them, who believe in Jesus and are in the only Church Jesus founded.It was won through Jesus’ Supreme Sacrifice for those who responded and converted into the Church. This Sacrifice is continued in the Holy Mass.
Salvation is available in the Sacraments of the Catholic Church and not defacto in other Christian communities.This is the official teaching of the Catholic magisterium in magisterial texts not quoted by Wikipedia.
-Lionel Andrades

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Thanks for these updates and corrections. But because the post is somewhat old, I'm not sure how many are looking at it now. I have some sense of the number of "hits" I get each day, but it is generic and not specific to a particular post. God bless.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous

THE HOLY FATHER POPE BENEDICT XVI IS A CUSHINGITE

Our pope is a Cushingite?
Cushingism says there can be people saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire in the present times and we can know these specific cases. So it contradicts the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence).
Cushingism gets its name from the former Cardinal Archbishop of Boston, Richard Cushing.
A Cushingite says everyone need not enter the Church for salvation. There can be exceptions (invincible ignorance etc).
Cushinghism is irrational since we can never know cases of persons saved in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire. They are known only to God.
Only in principle, as a concept, we can accept that there could be non Catholics saved as such. In reality we can never know any such case.
Cushingism implies that de facto, in reality, we can know such cases.
Pope Benedict XVI tells Peter Seewald in Light of the World (Ignatius) that there is only one way of salvation not two. i.e. those who are saved are saved by Jesus and the Church.
Correct, but without a clarification it is Cushingism.
There is only one way of salvation and everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church is the centuries-old teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The pope never says this.
Even if everyone who is saved is saved through Jesus and the Church, everyone with no exception needs to enter the Church for salvation.
The pope is throwing out Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, Council of Trent, Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7), Dominus Iesus 20 etc.
The Holy Father then tells Seewald that Jews do not have to convert in the present times.
As Cardinal Ratzinger the people saw Cushingism go unchallenged in the church and the secular media (Reuters, Times etc).
Even today see the errors on the Wikipedia entries on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Fr. Leonard Feeney. No cardinal or bishop makes the correction on the Internet.
Pope Benedict has the same position as Wikipedia when they suggest that some persons can be saved in invincible ignorance etc, so everyone does not have to enter the Church for salvation.
His former German colleague Fr. Hans Kung claimed Vatican Council II (LG 16) rejects the centuries- old dogma.He implied that we can know cases of those saved in invincible ignorance in the present times,. This is irrational but was convenient for the dissident priest.
Pope John Paul II it would seem, would want to contain this dissent. In Dominus Iesus 20 he said that though salvation is open for all, to receive it, one needed to enter the Church.
Pope Benedict XVI on the contrary says Jews do not have to convert in the present times and suggests everyone with no exception need not enter the Church .
Note: Cushingites suggest everyone with no exception so do not have to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. The Feeneyite claims the text of the dogma indicates just that!
So how do you interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church? With Cushingism or Feeneyism?

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Pope Benedict it was reported said the Society of St. Pius X could accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church and they could be accepted, even if they directly did not accept Vatican Council II.
So would they have to accept the Catechism according to Cushingism? Or, according to Feeneyism, in accord with the dogma, Ad Gentes7 and Dominus Iesus 20.
The SSPX is also hit by the Cushingite virus.
CCC 845 is Feeneyism. It says the Church is the only Ark of Salvation that saves in the Flood and everyone needs to enter it. God the Fathers wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church.
CCC 846 begins with Cushingism. All salvation comes from Jesus and the Church. It is left vague.
Then there is a quote from Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which is Feeneyism. It says everyone needs to enter the Church 'as through a door'. As through a door was the phrase used by the Church Fathers for outside the Church there is no salvation.
This is no problem for the Feeneyite. Since it does not contradict the dogma. That all salvation comes from Jesus and the Church does not contradict the teaching that everyone with no exception needs to enter the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.The Cushingite of course reads it differently.
Cushingism is a break from Tradition. It’s a new doctrine. Its not part of the Deposit of the Faith.
Always ask a Cushingite if he knows of people saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire in the present times.
Remember this then, next time you meet the pope, who could be a Cushingite unintionally.-Lionel Andrades

Anonymous said...

Anonymous
In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church." - Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1949/10/29/father-feeney-is-dismissed-from-jesuit
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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/jesuit-superior-general-review.html#links

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Monday, April 23, 2012
PREFECT OF THE SUPREME TRIBUNAL: CAN THERE BE AN ‘ECCLESIAL RUPTURE’ FOR NOT AFFIRMING ‘ A VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE’ AND A LIBERAL, IRRATIONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CATECHISM AND VATICAN COUNCIL II ?
I appeal to Cardinal Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal, Vatican to ask Ecclesia Dei and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), how can we know cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire?How can they also be explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as the CDF alleges.

Evidence:

1. The Secretary of the CDF Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J on the International Theological Commission website in two position papers states that there is no more exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church since Vatican Council II (LG 16) and the documents of Pope Pius XII indicate that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and its literal interpretation.

2. Pope Benedict XVI in Light of the World (Ignatius) p.107 indicates that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are defacto exceptions to the dogma which taught that there is only one way of salvation and everyone needed to convert into the Church.The pope suggests that all those who are saved are saved through Jesus Christ (CCC 846) and this is the one channel. So there are explicit exceptions to the dogma and to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation; all need to convert into the Church.CCC 846 also states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell).This was the one way, the centuries old interpretation of the Catholic Church.

I appeal to His Eminence Cardinal Raymond Burke to note that when we do not know any case of a person saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire how can they be explicit exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church?

So why should there be an ‘ecclesial rupture’ between the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX); why should there be this threat to the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II with this irrational interpretation of knowing cases on earth saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience(LG 16)?

Why should the Institute of the Good Shepherd (IGS) accept the Ecclesia Dei advice to follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church when the CDF/Ecclesia Dei never clarifies how does the Catechism and Vatican Council II negate the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church? Vatican Council II affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma (AG 7) and there are no known exceptions(LG 16 etc). So Vatican Council II is in agreement with the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions.

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Why cannot Catholics accept the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance?



Why does the CDF/Ecclesia Dei expect Fr.Leonard Feeney’s communities, the St.Benedict Centers, also traditionalists, in Los Angeles, Worcester and Manchester,USA to assume that the baptism of desire is a defacto exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney, the popes, Councils,saints, Catechisms and Vatican Council I and II ? One of the communities in Los Angeles is not being recognized it is learnt since the Archbishop and just about every body there assumes that implicit baptism of desire is explicit and so is a defacto exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma held by this Catholic community in Los Angeles.



No Magisterial document claims that the baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the dogma or that these cases can be known to us personally, and so are exceptions to the traditional teaching of exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.



I have appealed to the CDF and Ecclesia Dei through this blog and have sent them copies of these blog posts over the years, hoping they would do something about this issue but they have done nothing.Now they are issuing notices to traditionalist groups to accept their liberal heresy.Foreign lobbies are openly appealing to the pope and the CDF to change Church teaching, as if this is possible, and to penalize the traditionalists for being faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

In Christ.


Mr.Lionel Andrades
Catholic Layman in Rome
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/prefect-of-supreme-tribunal-can-there.html

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CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME WHO OFFER THE NOVUS ORDO MASS IN ITALIAN UNKNOWINGLY SUPPORT THE SSPX POSITION ON OTHER RELIGIONS: THEY CONFIRM THAT THERE IS NO CASE KNOWN OF BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (LG 16)IN THE PRESENT TIME
So if the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumes that the baptism of desire contradicted the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus they made a mistake.


The participants in the Vatican-SSPX talks also did not realize that there are no explicit exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II, to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Catholic priests in Rome to whom I spoke to, say that there is no known case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.Some say quite plainly that the baptism of desire etc do not contradict the literal intepretation of the dogma. Others do not want to comment further.

They know that we have returned to the centuries old intepretation of the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and this is essentially the positon of the Society of St.Pius X on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue.


It means Vatican Council II (AG 7) says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation-just as the SSPX teaches,and there are no known exceptions, this includes invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16).


So the priests are really saying, but do not want to put it into words, that Vatican Council II holds to the traditional teaching on Hindus,Jews, Buddhists,Muslims etc.


While priests who offer Mass in Italian here admit there is no visible baptism of desire there is no such comment from SSPX theologians.The SSPX bishops still believe that Vatican Council II contradicts the traditional teaching on ecumenism and other religions.Since, the bishops assume, there is a visible baptism of desire.


The Novus Ordo-priests are pointing to the traditional teaching in Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades

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Wednesday, April 25, 2012
PROFESSORS AT THE LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST UNIVERSITIES IN ROME SUPPORT THE SSPX POSITION ON OTHER RELIGIONS
Fr.Rafael Pascual L.C, Dean of Philosophy at the University Pontificial Regina Apostolorum(UPRA) and Mr. Corrada Gnerre a Professor of Philophical Anthropology at the Universita Europa di Roma affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


They also know that we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved who can be an exception to the defined dogma. The text of the dogma also does not mention invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire since they know at that possibilities were not defacto exceptions to the dogma which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation.


The dogma is in agreement with Vatican Council II(AG 7) and LG 16 is not an exception as is often claimed.


So Vatican Council II is in agreement with the traditional teaching of the church on ecumenism and other religions which has also been that of the traditionalists Society of St.Pius X, Institute of the Good Shepherd and the Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP).-Lionel Andrades




LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html


CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/10/catholic-lay-professor-at-universita.html#links

Anonymous said...

I was raised an American Babtist. I can assure you that a more holy, God fearing, holy spirit endowed people are hard to find.

I Converted to the catholic church later in life. This attitude that the wind of the holy spirit only blows in the catholic church is nonsence. Cruel dogma is cruel dogma no matter how you try to explain with lofty words.

William Tanner