Francis’s failure to condemn Moscow as aggressor decried as ‘shameful’ and ‘incomprehensible’
AND VATCAN NEWS ONCE AGAIN IN MAJOR DAMAGE CONTROL:
Francis’s failure to condemn Moscow as aggressor decried as ‘shameful’ and ‘incomprehensible’
AND VATCAN NEWS ONCE AGAIN IN MAJOR DAMAGE CONTROL:
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The Biden of Popes!
The question is whether the pope is "intrinsically" Biden, or just "inessentially" Biden. What does everyone think?
Father McDonald said...AND VATCAN NEWS ONCE AGAIN IN MAJOR DAMAGE CONTROL:"
Vatican News reported the facts in question. That constitutes "MAJOR DAMAGE CONTROL:"?
Having read that which has been released of Pope Francis' interview...and having learned that it was the interviewer who first employed the phrase "white flag" in regard to the negotiations...
I realized that we had the usual rush-to-judgement nonsense in regard to folks who had misrepresented Pope Francis' actual words/comments.
Pope Francis had made it clear that he had not called upon Ukraine to surrender. He called very simply for the courage to at least attempt to negotiate a just and lasting peace. His Holiness was clear about that. Pope Francis was also clear that plenty of nations and mediators ready to assist Ukraine in that regard.
Based upon my understanding of Ukraine's condition in regard to the war: Ukraine's government is leading their country down the path that will end in suicide for Ukraine.
Pope Francis is a peacemaker. I will throw in with Pope Francis. I reject war hawks.
May we work to outlaw war.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Having read the portion that has been released of Pope Francis' interview in question:
What a beautiful interview. I give thanks unto God for His Holiness, Pope Francis! Pope Francis is an authentic peacemaker. His revulsion in regard to war has placed him in line with such holy Popes as Venerable Pius XII, Saint John XXIII, Saint Paul VI, etc.
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Beyond our holy Popes, I think of our holy Churchmen during the past few decades who have rejected war. Example: At Vatican II, Cardinal Ottavani led the charge among the many, many Conciliar Fathers who called upon the world to reject war.
Cardinal Ottavani, intervention of October 7, 1965 A.D.
"It is necessary to spread the spirit of fraternity among peoples and dispose them to make sacrifices for the common good of all humanity, just as individuals contribute, with privations and sacrifices, for the good of their own countries ...
"It is necessary to make the decisions of established international organs - such as the International Court of Justice in The Hague [Netherlands] and the United Nations - more binding in order to resolve international controversies ...
"In order to do away with the cause of war, the remedies synthesized in five points by Pius XII in his 1941 Christmas Radio-message should be adopted. Finally, war could become a simple memory of the past if the words spoken by Paul VI in New York and afterward, in this Assembly, would be implanted in the hearts of peoples and the youth.
"The Council should express the desire that all the nations of the world participate in a single Universal Republic, which transcends the individual characteristics of nations, so that the peace of Christ in the reign of Christ will become a reality."
Deo gratias for the Church's peacemakers — then, and now.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I simply do not listen to this Pope anymore.
"THE VATICAN ONCE AGAIN IN MAJOR, MAJOR DAMAGE CONTROL OVER SOME STUPID OFF-THE-CUFF NOTHINGNESS POPE FRANCIS SAID"
Imagine my shock. Could be worse--could be having to do major damage control over a planned, written document that was conceived and thought it so tremendously poorly that it causes continents' worth of bishops to stand up and say, "no thanks."
Nick
St. John Paul II and Ronald Reagan vs Pope Francis and Joe Biden! How low we have fallen in 40 years
And some words of wisdom from Victor Davis Hanson, a must read for the lefties here:
https://amgreatness.com/2024/03/11/the-anti-democratic-democratic-left/
It explains which Party is trying to kill Democracy
Pope Francis is right. Ukraine needs to negotiate a peace treaty with Russia since Ukraine can't win. Finland negotiated a peace treaty with Russia in 1941 despite the loss of territory and as a result, Finland still exists today. Crimea is Russian, plain and simple. Ukraine now has to get used to the idea of it losing it's eastern provinces too. The way things are currently going, Ukraine is committing suicide.
Thank goodness we have the ultimate Popesplainer to regularly inhabit this blog’s comments and translate the Pope’s positions for us. We have all witnessed the many times that the Vatican has had to do damage control for PF’s comments -rather reliably after any trip abroad and with many events with the press. These are not all “rush to judgment” situations. The progressive left defends the Pope like they do Biden, and it is so obviously contrived, banal, and foolish.
Piggy - And the attacks on Pope Francis by the traditionalist right are juvenile, self-serving, and uncharitable.
Mark,
St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, were they not a continuum of the popes previous to them? I doubt they were desirous of wars.
Fr. Eric said..."Mark, St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, were they not a continuum of the popes previous to them? I doubt they were desirous of wars."
That is an excellent point.
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-- Pope Saint John Paul II, June 11, 1982 A.D:
"At this moment, humanity should question itself, once more, about the absurd and always unfair phenomenon of war, on whose stage of death and pain only remain standing the negotiating table that could and should have prevented it."
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Pope Saint John Paul II, January, 13, 2003 A.D:
"NO TO WAR"! It is always a defeat for humanity."
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Pope Benedict XVI, July 22, 2007 A.D:
"Put an end to the pointless slaughters of war and do not forget the mistakes of the past!"
"War, with its grief and destruction, is always justly considered a calamity in contrast with the plan of God who created everything to give life and who wants to make mankind one family."
"From this place of peace, where one still senses how unacceptable the horrors of ‘pointless slaughters’ are, I renew the appeal to pursue the path of rights, to strongly refuse the recourse to weapons and refuse to confront new situations with old systems."
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Pax.
Mark Thomas
— Vatican II: "It is our clear duty, therefore, to strain every muscle in working for the time when all war can be completely outlawed by international consent."
FMK, a couple of YT collections documenting sacrilege and desecration of the Mass and the altar for your review.. Don’t say these are all from the 60’s and 70’s - many are from the recent Covid era and the majority are from the last 15 years. I have witnessed these when traveling someplace new. I took videos and contacted the local Bishop.
Ponder who is doing more damage to His Church on earth.
And you assume too much too quickly.. I am not a rigid ”traditionalist”. I am a convert since age 50. I travel, and go to whichever Mass I know is solemn, holy, and presided upon by a good shepherd. That includes NO, Byzantine/Ukranian Catholic, the TLM, and others. Not interested in the clown “Mass” or dancing priests, or priests making the sign of the cross with a guitar held overhead.
You are obviously an apologist for PF, no matter how many times his words or actions have led to confusion of the faithful or how many of his religious friends he protects from the repercussions of their actions, especially in clear cases of abuse. These can only be denied by employing profound rationalization.
You of course can think whatever you want. I generally pass by your comments because you are a broken record. I wonder why you bother to post here. Actually, no I don’t.
Only my friends can call me piggy.
https://www.yout.ube.com/watch?v=eTpaQPUUDJA
https://www.yout.ube.com/watch?v=ue9VoAEQ9x8
FMK, what a childish retort from a priest. Only my friends can call me piggy.
Piggy - I post here to present a different point of view, to correct errors, and to challenge people to consider that what might be a rather hidebound understanding of matters relating to the Catholic faith could use a little freshening up. From time to time I spar with a poster just for fun.
Why do you post here?
I'm not an apologist for Pope Francis. Rather I am an apologist - or, maybe, more to the point, a firm believer in the hierarchical structure of the Church. When people rant against bishops in general or by name, when they say things like, "I'll never listen to this Bergolio person again," or when they make absurd, conspiratorial accusations about this set of hierarchs or that set, that chafes my Catholic spirit. Their comments are juvenile, self-serving, and uncharitable.
woundedpig,
Good luck trying to get Fr. MJK from being "juvenile, self-serving, and uncharitable" towards you, though his skills of accidental self-diagnosis are admirable. What to one commenter is "spar[ring]" is more frequently vulgar, insulting rants. The best course of action is to click the white space next to "Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said..." to collapse the comment like a cheap suit. That's all I'll say on the subject.
Nick
Nick-o, I'd challenge you to cite ONE time that I have been vulgar on this blog.
Ach, I'm not a man of my word... but in the interest of giving a direct answer to a direct question, Fr. MJK, the exchange I most distinctly remember was referring me to a Roto-rooter plumber to take care of my constipation (which, shockingly, wasn't even a topic of discussion to that point).
And, Fr. MJK, I do appreciate how efficiently you proved the point in the first sentence of my most recent comment.
Nick
Ol' Nick - We have very different understandings of the word "vulgar," now don't we?
To be perfectly honest, I don't recall the Roto-Rooter mention. Can you cite it - date/time?
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