It’s as though freedom in Christ has been suppressed by taste and a reactionary response to a tiny minority of vile trads in the twitteruniverse.
Here is a liberal take on the repression nonsense:
And a conservative reaction from a young married man, father, friend and athlete inspired by a traditionally celebrated OF Mass at Georgia Tech to go deeper into that tradition:
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The EF appears to attract manly men
I do believe that the ethos of the older rites is more attractive to men than the newer ones and in part explains why so many boys like serving the EF Mass and traditional communities are producing so many vocations. I wish there would be a study on the anthropology of both Masses in terms of masculine/feminine ethos and how that affects men and the practice of the faith and vocations. The famous priest psychiatrist, Fr. Stephen Rossetti stated that the OF Mass if more feminine and attractive to the females and they like the priest acting like women in terms of facing them, extending arms wide to them and fantasizing about them causing some heterosexual priests to give in. Homosexuals would like that gesture too coming from a man.
Father McDonald,
Good points with which I agree.
This is the money quote in the response to Ivereigh:
"But Merton is no less scathing in his criticism of “extreme progressives.” While progressives shout about the necessity of dialogue and openness, some are “hermetically closed” to conservative Catholics. These progressives are guilty of their own “arrogant triumphalism” that ridicules and dismisses conservative voices, thereby showing “a serious lack of that love to which they frequently appeal in justification of their procedures.”
This was true when Merton said it and it is true today. By the way, the supply of "vile trads" cannot meet the demand of delusional progressives. When I attended the EF at the Savannah Cathedral, I did not see them, just a lot of young families with children. I have been to a large number of EFs over the years and strangely anyone I have spoken with never talks about rejecting Vatican II or has much, if anything, to say about the Pope. These are good people who happen to want to attend a Mass with over 1500 years of history behind it with the focus on worshipping the Lord, not ourselves.
"The famous priest psychiatrist, Fr. Stephen Rossetti stated that the OF Mass if more feminine and attractive to the females and they like the priest acting like women in terms of facing them, extending arms wide to them and fantasizing about them causing some heterosexual priests to give in."
Good Lord....
You report that Rossetti said, "...the priest comes across in the Ordinary Form of the Mass as available,open, warm,empathetic,and nurturing..."
Well, Jesus is available, open, warm, empathetic, and nurturing. So, Alter Christis that you and I are, that is the model for how we are to be.
Father McDonald,
Here is a good read from Father Hunwicke's blog on TC:
https://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/2021/12/nastier-and-nastier.html
Enjoy!
Fr K,
I’ve seen your picture and you’re no John Wayne
Father K,
Christ tossed the money changers from the Temple and told people who harm the little ones (think Party of Intrinsic Evil) that they would be better off with a millstone around their necks at the bottom of the sea. Our Lord was merciful AND just
Can we get the inflections right concerning PF's infamous motu proprio? Traditionis is the genitive singular of traditio and means 'of (the) tradition'. Custodes is the nominative plural of custos, which can mean 'guardian' or indeed 'jailer'.
Whoever came up with 'custodis traditionis' - 'of the guardian (singular) of tradition' needs to go back to his primer. One can't blame autocorrect for a howler of this magnitude.
Over a decade ago I had a contretemps with Rita Ferrone at PTB (I was barred not long afterwards) who quoted a German source which intimated that men with homosexual proclivities were attracted to the EF.
I pointed out that a British army padre in Afghanistan celebrated in the EF and the squaddies appreciated it for its direct and disciplined approach, as opposed to the feminized and touchy-feely liturgies they encountered at home.
Rita's response was they were probably closet gays, and I advised her for her own safety not to repeat such opinions in Aldershot or Catterick.
It is true that the bells, smells and lace of Anglo-Catholicism did attract men of an inverted tendency. Cousin Jasper's remonstrance to Charles Ryder in 'Brideshead Revisited' had the advice to steer clear of the Anglo-Catholics: 'They're all sodomites with unpleasant accents'.
But for us RCs such things were not fripperies but were par for the course.
There is no doubt that the Novus Ordo does allow priests to exhibit their 'feminine side' and having women swarming all over the sanctuary (a very recent innovation) reinforces the idea that the liturgy has been effectually feminized. The priest is 'alter Christus' when he celebrates the Mass; the idea that in any other respect he is required to conform to a sentimental construct of 'gentle Jesus, meek and mild' is pushing it a bit.
John - There is nothing "sentimental" about being "available, open, warm, empathetic, and nurturing." I'd much prefer to see this in a priest, as opposed to his being inaccessible, narrow minded, unfeeling, or discouraging. I think most people in our parishes would, too.
Men have always exhibited these traits. Unfortunately, many cultures, including our own, have diminished them by styling them as aspects of a feminine pyche.
Fr MJK
I think you will find that the prevailing western culture downplays the masculine and elevates the feminine. Courage, rationality, emotional restraint, even fatherhood are diminished. Feminists are fond of talking of 'toxic masculinity'.
'Blest isle! with matchless beauty crown'd
And manly hearts to guard the fair.'
We still sing it, but it rings a bit hollow these days.
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