Thursday, January 18, 2018
HOW WAS IT THAT THE PRE-VATICAN II CHURCH OF THE 1950'S IN THIS COUNTRY COLLASPED, LITERALLY, OVERNIGHT?
This is a good comment from another post and raises legitimate questions:
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK THAT THE PRE-VATICAN II ...":
There had to be serious serious problems in the Church prior to Vatican II (I am talking about clergy and religious only) because how would you explain the devistation that occurred.
Look at the priesthood in 1963 and the look at it in 1966. Totally different. The same priest in 1963 said Mass reverently and was neatly dressed and conducted himself as a gentleman and a CATHOLIC priest. Fast forward to 1965 and the same man has long hair, is taking incredible liberties with the Mass, is questioning everything and is open to any crazy thing that comes down the road accept the truths of the Faith.
Let’s say that picture in the article of the Sisters of St. Joseph was taken in the early 1960’s. By the end of the decade the majority of those sisters were militants who openly opposed the Faith and corrupted the innocent children in their care with their nonsense. Something is wrong with that.
Stable people do not completely change their way of thinking and way of life so radically in so short a time as one year.
Look at the history of the Church in those days. There is a major difference in the Catholicism of 1963 compared to that of 1965. I am convinced that what happened was no accident. Destruction like that had to have been carefully planned years in advance. Using reason dictates that the decline that what we have seen happen so rapidly in the Church, literally from 1 year to another was diabolical and planned. What other explaination is there? The Holy Spirit is NOT the author of destruction and confusion or surprises. The Holy Spirit is a rational divine being not a sentimental feel good Jesuitical hippie from Latin America.
One the outside the Church looked wonderful but there is no way solidly formed nuns went from being Sr. Mary Benedict in a full length habit one year, to swigging Peggy in jeans and picket signs the next. That’s kind of behaviour is not how a mature well balanced adult behaves. It’s just not. The problems must have been extremely severe.
My comments: The period which anonymous refers to, 1963 to 1966 or better yet 1968 has interesting demographics for the priesthood and religious life. There were a huge number of very young priests and religious many of whom entered seminary or convents at the age of 14 if not younger. What kept them in line and mature looking was the strict discipline of the Church and their superiors who were older and seasoned. They had strict maternal and paternal supervisors and they had to tow the line or be kicked out.
Thus when Vatican II's tornado hit, everything that underpinned the strict and sometimes authoritarianism of the priesthood and religoius life was swept away as though a fire department hose washed away the foundations of the seminaries, convents, priesthood and seminary life.
Those in formation and newly ordained or professed let loose as the yoke of authority and yes, authoritarianism was removed.
In my seminary which was the strictest in American UNTIL 1968, the revolution began when the long time rector who preferred the discipline was publicly disobeyed and without repercussions to the seminarians. Over what, you might ask? Coke machines added to the seminary. They won! Then everything began to change and more freedoms came and by 1970 this seminary was unrecognizable as the same one prior to 1968. I arrived in 1976 and I can tell you it was chaos to say the least but everyone was excited about the rampant changes happening and so quickly.
Of course the same anti-authority, anti-institutional, anti-law, anti-law enforcement was happening in America which prior to 1968 was a very strict, patriotic and authority oriented society.
The young won the day and the old were booted and humiliated.
VATICAN II BROUGHT ON A NEW TRIUMPHALISM AND ARROGANCE UNSEEN PRIOR TO VATICAN II. CHANGE ALWAYS MEANT NEW AND IMPROVED WHEN IN FACT IT WAS NOT IMPROVED BUT IT WAS CHANGE.
THE CHURCH BECAME MORE DEMOCRATIC AND MOST MAJOR CHANGES IN RELIGIOUS LIFE OCCURRED THROUGH VOTES OF YOUNG MEMBERS WHO ONCE THEY CHANGED THEIR ORDERS FOR THE WORST, DEPARTED BY GETTING MARRIED OR SIMPLY LIVING SECULAR LIVES.
THE DEMOCRATIZATION OF PARISH LIFE THROUGH COUNCILS AND COMMITTEES DEFORMED PARISHES AND THEIR LITURGIES AND TURNED AUTHORITY UPSIDE DOWN.
MOST OF THIS WAS WELL MEANING AND NOT MEAN SPIRITED. BUT IT WAS A DISASTER THAT HAPPENED OVER NIGHT AND BECAUSE OF THE YOUNG WHO WERE IMMATURE AND THE INSTITUTIONAL CHURCH SAYING "GO FOR IT AND EXPERIMENT AND HAVE A GAY OLD TIME IN THE PROCESS!"