Thursday, February 17, 2011

GUESS WHICH FORM OF THE MASS THIS IS

Fr. Pierre Paul, maestro di cappella (chapel master) at St. Peter’s Basilica, Vatican City celebrates the 11:00 AM parish Mass at Saint John Cantius in Chicago. Are you able to tell from the photos which form of the Mass he's celebrating?

The direction of the Mass, the Roman Chasuble and the lifting of the chasuble at the elevations should be a dead give away!







14 comments:

Templar said...

That would be the Mass For The Ages. The Mass according to the last organically produced Missal the Catholic Church produced. The Mass not designed by a committee abetted by Protestant sympathizers.

Also known as the closest thing to Heaven on Earth.

Henry Edwards said...

Plainly, it's the Mass celebrated as recommended in the Vatican II constitution on the sacred liturgy. What else?

Indeed, I gather from the description and additional pictures at

http://www.cantius.org/go/news/detail/director_of_music_at_vatican_basilica_celebrates_mass_at_st_john_cantius/

that this Mass was celebrated just as described in the little Ignatius Press booklet entitles "The Mass of Vatican II".

Frajm said...

Templar, thank God someone finally commented and you were the first to take the bait! You are right and you are wrong. Yes it is the Mass of all ages, but in the Ordinary Form!!! celebrated Ad Orientem! Now you can see the Holy Father's desire that the Mass be the Mass and resemble the Mass that preceded it. Who would have thunk?

colt said...

Yes, Templar ... the so-called "Traditional Latin Mass," or "Tridentine Mass."

Simply beautiful!

Guy Power

BTW ... I'm a "Hospitaller" (Venerable Order of St. John) ... finally Templars and Hospitallers are reconciled! (^__^)

Frajm said...

Henry I posted my comment to Templar before I saw yours which came in before I posted mine. But at any rate you are right!!!! You win the prize and I like how you stated your comment. Now, how do we get the Pope and the bishops to allow us to celebrate the Ordinary Form this way as the normal way??????

Frajm said...

Actually, the dead give away as to which form of the Mass this is, is the fact that there are no "Mass Cards" on the altar!

colt said...

Whoa ... Fr. McDonald! I also took the bait ... it was the lifting of the chasuble that did me in!

Kudos to Fr. Pierre Paul!

Fr. McDonald ... now it's YOUR turn!
(^___^)

--Guy Power

Templar said...

I will gladly take the correction Father, and believe I could be happy with this "OF" Mass based on what little I have seen here.

Why oh why are we given hamburger (make that soy patties) for our OF Masses if the Missal is designed for such sublime beauty?

Frajm said...

I don't know if this particular Mass was celebrated in Latin, but if it was, I would suspect that most people would not be able to tell the difference between an OF Mass in Latin and the EF Mass. Both would be strikingly similar, not dissimilar. In fact Cardinal Ratzinger said so much in 1998 during a talk given to traditionalists.
I would suspect too that if the EF Mass were allowed to be in the vernacular, that more people would attend it and appreciate it.

Henry Edwards said...

Fr. McDonald: "Now, how do we get the Pope and the bishops to allow us to celebrate the Ordinary Form this way as the normal way??????"

Well, Pope Benedict not only allows but encourages celebration of the OF this way. Does that mean we're half way there?

Incidentally, I saw a report from Bromption Oratory (London)---where the OF is celebrated just like at St. John Cantius, but with even more traditional ceremony (e.g. with deacon and subdeacon at solemn Mass)---that the Congregation for Divine Worship had stated this was the ideal way for the OF to be celebrated. And I know that Cardinal Arinze said similar things; he celebrated it this way himself when he visited St. John Cantius Church in Chicago.

Henry Edwards said...

Yes, this obviously OF Mass was celebrated in Latin. From the post I linked in my first comment above:

"The Mass, which was celebrated ad orientem in Latin, featured two of the parish choirs, the Schola Cantorum of St. Gregory the Great which sang the Gregorian Chant propers and the St. Cecelia Choir which sang the Madrid Mass by Alessandro Scarlatti along with motets. "

R. E. Ality said...

Frajm said...
I don't know if this particular Mass was celebrated in Latin, but if it was, I would suspect that most people would not be able to tell the difference between an OF Mass in Latin and the EF Mass. Both would be strikingly similar, not dissimilar. In fact Cardinal Ratzinger said so much in 1998 during a talk given to traditionalists.
I would suspect too that if the EF Mass were allowed to be in the vernacular, that more people would attend it and appreciate it.

Great observation. Well,shucks, maybe even disobedient priests who diss the Pope's direction would allow it and promote it.

Henry Edwards said...

"Actually, the dead give away as to which form of the Mass this is, is the fact that there are no "Mass Cards" on the altar!"

Though a priest who regularly celebrates the OF a al Vatican II -- that is, ad orientem in Latin -- would surely find useful a set of OF altar cards:

http://www.myriadcreativeconcepts.com/product-latin-ordinary-vintage-diamond.htm

Anonymous said...

Yes, as ordered by Vatican II. However when GIRM has been questioned the answers out of the Vatican for decades have been. "When the rubrics are silent, do not assume or do as was done in the older forms". In fact it was forbidden to do so. So now, an about face is being proposed, but that needs to be clearly spelled out so that there is no longer a legal prohibition to introducing things from the EF into the OP. It has not been made perfectly clear and many still follow the idea that you can not do things as they were done before. An entire encylical devoted to this subject would be helpful and more important, permanent.