Well, when you challenge the Supreme Pontiff and the Second Vatican Council, what do you expect? If only traditionalists were like Pope Benedidict XVI. He never stopped celebrating the Bugnini Mass although he would have preferred a reform in continuity. If he had been pope for 10 more years, maybe that would have happened. Only God knows.
But Bishop Schnieder and others of his ilk have managed to set back the reform in continuity by be so stupid and so Protestant, neo-protetstantism that is.
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Fathers, your take would make a little sense if Protestants were also barred from praying as a group in the major basilicas. That not being the case, and based on the axiom that policy is policy, the Vatican (and pope?) has sent a clear message that it would be better to be a heretic or schismatic than to be the icky kind of Catholic.
Nick
Maybe the TLM devotees—et, neo-Protestants—should’ve said they’ll bring their Pride flags and “F*** the Rules shirts? Heretics, yes, schismatics, yes, those celebrating a sun that cries to heaven, yes.
But those horrible quasi-Prots…
Nick
Father, I cannot disagree with the good Bishop. In the Secular realm things are judged by their fruits. What are the fruits of last 6 Decades? Priestly Vocations? Religious Vocations,Hospitals?Churches? Missionary Works? Marriages/Famillies? Strong Sacramental living?Sadly these barometer show great falling pressure Post 1965.Truth hurts,but must be faced-that is not being schismatic.
I believe that the following golden opportunity is at hand for Pope Leo XIV:
The formation of a sensible "Traditional Latin Mass Movement" that does not include "Bishop Schneider and others of his ilk."
Pope Leo XIV offered the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI to Catholics who long for "traditional" Latin Church liturgy. In turn, the TLM Movement in question would center upon the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.
AI Overview has noted that Archbishop Cordileone, for example, is among several claimants to the following:
"Yes, according to observations made by Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, many traditional young Catholics are embracing the Mass of Pope Paul VI (the Novus Ordo / Ordinary Form), but specifically when it is celebrated in a traditional, reverent, and solemn manner."
Pope Leo XIV could exhort bishops to promote Novus Ordo Masses that feature Latin, ad orientem worship, Gregorian Chant, Holy Communion received kneeling, as well as on the tongue.
The result would be a rational TLM Movement that is not dominated by "Bishop Schneider and others of his ilk."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
While I support a traditional form of the new Mass, it is no crime to prefer the old, especially when a traditional form of the new Mass is also suppressed. It is this shabby treatment that drives people to the SSPX. There is no excuse for blocking the pilgrimage.
And now it is reported that the group is allowed exactly one hour in Mary Major. This is unabashed bullying reserved only for the wrong sort of Catholics. They would receive better treatment if they were in fact Protestant or LGBTQETC advocates. I guess this is a new kind of pastoral accompaniment.
Nick
The following from Mundabor is way, way over the top.
But it expresses, albeit in extreme, very, very, very extreme right-wing fashion, the reality that Summorum Pontificum does not register upon Pope Leo XIV's radar screen.
-- Bow Down And Obey, Peasants!
"Remember last year, when the extremely large Cardinal Burke, who at that time was still able to physically enter St Peter, celebrated a Pontifical Mass?
"That was 2025 Prevost, who still pretended to be, on a rare day, “open” to the Traditional Latin Mass. Well, that was then and this is now.
"2026 Prevost does not even bother to pretend anymore.
"Not only no mass, but not even entering the church now! Dogs and traditionalists must stay out!
"This is a very clear message coming from Rome:
“Bow down and obey, peasants! Have you still not understood how things go here?”
"Leo is an enemy of the Church and, therefore, an enemy of Christ."
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Not every right-winger is as extreme as Mundabor.
But speaking in general terms of the right-wing, the sooner that "Bishop Schneider and others of his ilk" accept that Summorum Pontificum does not register upon Pope Leo XIV's radar screen, the better.
The Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI is the way forward for the Latin Church.
But that path must include opportunities for those who desire "traditional" Latin Masses to experience that via the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.
There are more than a few extremists who reject even "traditional" Latin Masses via the reformed Rite. But Pope Leo XIV must employ his awesome authority to ensure that such Masses are available.
That is certainly the case as Pope Leo XIV promoted "traditional" Latin Masses via the reformed Rite.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I think there is more to this than meets the eye.
Until Rome takes a strong hand and stops the suppression, both formal and informal, of a traditional form of the new Mass, including Latin and ad orientem, this is all nonsense. And I am not talking about a token Mass once a month on Wednesday, but the regular and unimpeded celebration of the new Mass with all the options for a traditional style of worship. It is the suppression of such a Mass that had driven so many to the old Mass. And do not regale me with the objection that it would not satisfy everyone. Bridges have to start someplace. A good place to start is the appointment of bishops who would favor such a thing. Otherwise, all I see is "the beatings will continue until moral improves."
If there is indeed more than meets the eye, where is the corresponding outreach? This action does not just affect the organizers of the pilgrimage but all those attracted to the old Mass.
What meets the eye is things like this:
“ “I believe it is urgent to establish a pastoral approach that is supportive, empathic, discreet, non-judgmental, welcoming to all, and offering paths that are as personalised as possible… we must try to accompany them without replacing them, becoming companions along the way…”
Wonder who said that?
Nick
Little, girliemen, fake Catholics all, are in charge of this evil policy. They are going to Hell on an express train for their evil unless they repent and make amends, preferably wearing sack clothe and ashes. Basta!
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