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Wednesday, July 8, 2026

IS EMPHASIZING AUTHORITY RATHER THAN DOCTRINE A GOOD THING—YES AND NO, BECAUSE WITH ALL THINGS CATHOLIC IT SHOULDN’T BE EITHER/OR BUT BOTH/AND WHEN WHAT IS DISCUSSED IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CHURCH AND HER UNITY IN JESUS CHRIST SPLENDOR OF TRUTH…

 This is a very good commentary by Serre Verweij for Rorate Caeli—read the whole commentary by pressing the title:

Rome and the Econe Consecrations: a Dispassionate Analysis of What is at Stake


 Polarization and Isolation: 

What Can Be Expected of the Relationship Between Rome and the SSPX


by Serre Verweij
for Rorate Cæli

MONEY BYTE, MY COMMENTS BELOW IT:

Under Leo, Vatican II appears to have been transformed primarily into a question of authority rather than of doctrine. The conflict with the SSPX is over schism, not heresy. The real dispute concerns who has the authority to determine when an emergency situation exists within the Church, and who can be trusted to address it. 

Pope Leo has proved considerably firmer regarding authority and hierarchy than many initially expected. He is not despotic in the manner Francis could often be; he follows the law, but he follows it very strictly. The Germans are discovering this, as one project after another is quietly cancelled. Pope Leo does not tolerate public dissent. Whereas Francis would often tolerate de facto heresy among progressives so long as outward submission was maintained, Leo extends somewhat greater latitude to those to the right of the recent Magisterium, as evidenced, for example, by his platforming of Bishop Erik Varden. Yet more than Francis, Leo prizes unity and obedience, which have always been cardinal Augustinian charisms.


There is a certain irony in the conclusion that suggests itself: Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of Saint Pius X may ultimately get the last word on Vatican II, on religious liberty, and on dialogue with modernity — while the SSPX as an institution remains permanently isolated. Its positions are likely to become increasingly common within the Church over the coming decades. Its bishops and priests, however, will remain sidelined for having refused to be team players.


My Comments:


The line in the sand that Pope Leo has drawn in terms of the FSSPX disobedience isn’t so much their disagreements with Vatican II as it is with their obstinate decision to ordain new bishops. This was the line in the sand for Saint Pope John Paul II. 


What the commentary above makes clear is that it wasn’t so much the FSSPX’s rejection of Vatican II’s on Vatican II and the Church’s dialogue with modernity, as well as the kind of post Vatican II reform of the Mass by Bugnini and approved by St. Pope Paul VI but rather disobeying the pope on the ordination of new bishops. 


Perhaps the commentary should have touched upon the fact that for the FSSPX to get permission to ordain new bishops they would have to be more open to all the teachings of Vatican II which are normative even though not infallible. 


Through this excommunication of the FSSPX, the pope is warning other bishops and their followers, clergy and laity, who might think they can get away with at least “ordaining” women deacons, not to mention women “priests and deacons” which they won’t; they’ll be excommunicated too.


I would go as far as to say that bishops who approve of formal same sex blessings or whatever they call it as being elevated to that of the “Sacrament of Holy Matrimony” will also face excommunication. 


This, of course, it directed more toward Germany and its heretical and schismatic tendencies that they want approved. They are even more anti-Vatican II than the FSSPX, no? The line in the sand for Pope Leo is illicit ordinations and perhaps marriages, both of which would also be invalid. 




4 comments:

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

"... BECAUSE WITH ALL THINGS CATHOLIC IT SHOULDN’T BE EITHER/OR BUT BOTH/AND WHEN WHAT IS DISCUSSED IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CHURCH..."

Yes, such as the celebration of the Eucharist is both Sacrifice AND Sacred Meal, the altar is both the place of sacrifice AND the table from which we are fed, the priest is both servant AND leader, etc., etc., etc...

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Wow! You've come a long way to include in your etc.,etc.,etc., the Ancient Form of the Latin Mass and the Modern Form of the Mass in Latin or the Vernacular. Who knew! Not either/or but both/and! TJM will be very pleased with you.

Mark Thomas said...

Father McDonald said..."The line in the sand that Pope Leo has drawn in terms of the FSSPX disobedience isn’t so much their disagreements with Vatican II as it is with their obstinate decision to ordain new bishops."

I do not wish to decouple the excommunications from the SSPX'S act of disobedience in question.

But Pope Leo XIV had emphasized that the Church's disagreement with the SSPX is very much rooted within the Society's war against Vatican II.

Pope Leo XIV comment regarding the SSPX:

“Certainly, division among Christians is always a painful point. But they refuse to accept certain fundamental elements of the Church, starting with several points from the Second Vatican Council."

"...starting with several points from the Second Vatican Council."

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Father Davide Pagliarani has made it clear that the SSPX's revolt against God and His True Church is rooted within the Council:

Father Pagliarani:

"It is true that the Council does not only contain errors...the New Mass, ecumenism, the dignity of man and religious freedom. They were the essential elements and the errors that changed the Church.

"They are the centerpiece of the real Council that changed the Catholic Church!

":Everything else in the conciliar documents – and I’m simplifying things a bit – all the quotations from the Church Fathers and the quotes from previous councils are simply the padding to go around the essential central elements..."

"The real Second Vatican Council, it must be rejected. The Catholic Church cannot regenerate herself if it is not rejected."

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Pope Leo understands schism. It is the breaking of canon law by disobeying something the pope has ordered of a particular person or group. Schism is a break with the pope, not a break with doctrine—which would be heterodoxy at best and heresy at worst. Don’t mix apples and oranges. BTW, Pope Francis gave the SSPX permission for valid celebrations of the Sacraments of Penance and Holy Matrimony now rescinded. Thus Pope Francis, like Pope Benedict didn’t think the rejection of certain aspects of Vatican II more disciplinary than doctrinal, theology rather than dogma was a big deal.