Saturday, July 15, 2017

MORE EVIDENCE OF VATICAN II'S UNBRIDLED ECUMENISM SUCESS: CERTAINLY THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL PRIOR TO VATICAN II'S SPIRIT!

Hispanic couple lead growing church, impact state, nation

Luis Ramirez has watched and helped as his Hispanic ministry in Warner Robins, Iglesia Cristiana Remanso de Paz, has grown from a small gathering under a pecan tree to a vibrant church on Elberta Road.

MICHAEL W. PANNELL Special to The Telegraph A pastor and engineer, Luis Ramirez of Iglesia Cristiana Remanso de Paz, came to work at Robins Air Force Base after graduating with an engineering degree in Puerto Rico.

Iglesia Cristiana Remanso de Paz

Address: 1715 Elberta Road, Warner Robins
Phone: 478-329-1550
Leadership: Luis and Yolanda Ramirez, pastors
Worship: 11 a.m. Sunday, 7:15 p.m. Wednesday Awana and Bible study
WARNER ROBINS
Luis Ramirez said Remanso de Paz roughly means a place of still waters, calm waters — a haven of rest and peace.
Along with his wife, Yolanda, Ramirez co-pastors Iglesia Cristiana Remanso de Paz, a growing Hispanic fellowship in Warner Robins.
In addition to his pastoral role, Ramirez has served as a regional and national Hispanic leader in his denomination, The Foursquare Church, and is now Georgia’s leader for the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, America’s largest Hispanic Evangelical organization.
Ramirez is a bi-vocational pastor with a long career as an engineering supervisor with Robins Air Force Base’s equipment maintenance section.
Ramirez said he became a pastor almost by default.
“I came to the U.S. and the base in 1986,” he said. “Like hundreds of other Puerto Rican graduates, I started job hunting and went to an event where the (U.S.) Department of Defense was looking for employees — and they found me. I wasn’t a Christian at the time, I was just seeking to begin my career and coming to the U.S. was certainly a wonderful opportunity.”
Puerto Ricans have had U.S. citizenship since 1917, a fact Ramirez said few realize.
“After coming to the U.S., I was invited to services a nondenominational, Spanish-speaking group had facilities Green Acres Baptist Church let them use,” Ramirez said. “I kept coming mainly for the music. I loved the songs and I listened to the Bible being taught week by week. As God says, his word accomplishes his purpose. In about six or seven months I accepted Christ and that’s where my Christian service began. It began by my setting up chairs and, by his doing, by his grace, he brought me to where I am.”
Ramirez said his early interest in Christianity led him to take classes and graduate from a Spanish-speaking Biblical Institute at Christ Missionary Church in Athens. At the same time, the Warner Robins services were coming to an end due to its leader’s failing health.
Ramirez and others decided to continue meeting in homes. Because of his Biblical studies, Ramirez said he was selected as pastor-leader.
“I was surprised, but it was what we felt God wanted,” he said. “A couple of families and I eventually believed we were to start a church. There wasn’t a Spanish-speaking Pentecostal group in Warner Robins and that was what we were. Our first meeting was in 1998 when we had an outreach under a pecan tree for workers at Lane Southern Orchards in Peach County. A group gathered around us and I preached for a few minutes.”
Ramirez said the small congregation was able to meet in a local church’s facility but were soon offered the option of becoming a Foursquare congregation and taking over an old, small Foursquare building on Green Street.
After prayer and consideration, Ramirez said he and others felt it was a good match and accepted the offer. Upon moving in, members took down 80 pine trees to create a playground and space for children to play soccer.
Ramirez said children and positive activities for families have always been important.
As the congregation grew, a move to the current Elberta Road location was planned. Ramirez said the structure reached its current state in two phases with an unplanned disruption during the economic downturn of 2007. However, by 2014 they were able to move services from a multiuse fellowship hall into a new 300-seat sanctuary.
Ramirez said the congregation was about 75 people at the time of the move to Elberta Road in the mid-2000s and now stands at about 140.
“God continues to bless and we continue to work to be a blessing to our community,” he said. “We minister to whoever he brings us and though our services are in Spanish, we have translation into English over headsets.”
Ramirez said as the church grows, outreach expands to include things such as a summer volleyball league playing on Friday, local evangelistic outreaches, community classes and services and a growing international outreach with support of orphanages and other churches and ministers in places such as Haiti, Mexico, Kenya and Italy.
The church has been able to sponsor families in need and in trouble, as is particularly evident in situations such as giving help to an immigrant family from Venezuela that is in the process of gaining political asylum.
And in part because of his own story, Ramirez is especially thankful the church’s own Bible institute saw its first handful of graduates this year.
“We’re always in awe of the things God does,” Ramirez said. “Recently the Livingston family, Bob and Mike, donated two acres of land a half mile from us on Elberta that has abandoned commercial and apartment buildings on them. We plan to clean it up and use it to create a women’s ministry, a place for youth ministry and outdoor activities to benefit the community. It will take money and donations, but right now there’s a lady in our church with a ministry teaching simple skills like reading and sewing. We want to grow that there. God has poured that kind of desire for others in my and Yolanda’s and everybody in the church’s heart. God opens doors and does miracles.”
Ramirez said just like in the church’s previous building efforts, a large part of the work will be done by members. He said one item he still envisions but has yet to come to pass is seeing a gym built for members and the local community.
“It takes time but we have a clear vision where God is taking us,” he said. He said the church is committed to following God even in the midst of modern social and immigration issues.
“Our policy has always been and still is that we don’t ask for papers before we minister to someone,” he said. “We don’t check IDs or cards before we pray for people or serve them. We’re not required by law as a church to report immigration status. Our church is here for the purpose of reaching people for Christ and we stick to the plan. We focus on that. We’re here for those seeking God and seeking his and our help. At the same time we’re not naive politically. In that regard, we advocate for the security of the nation first of all and we advise people do all things according to the law and as part of the community. We never advise people to violate the law.”
Ramirez said balancing the political and spiritual is problematic but doable. He said God is always present for each and every person and that God always officers answers.
“For example, there’s a lot of fear in the streets these days among immigrants,” he said. “People in every position are facing so many unknowns. We know we can’t control all our circumstances but we believe we can make the best of even the worst situation. As Christians, we’re to glorify God and we can’t do that living in fear. To get beyond fear we have to look to him and move past it to knowing he is good and our faith is always worthwhile. As a church, it’s our call to stand strong and be a light that shines in love and truth no matter what the circumstances.”
Contact writer Michael W. Pannell at mwpannell@gmail.com .

5 comments:

Victor said...

Why would any Latino be a Catholic? We hear stories of how the Catholic Church in USA is growing in areas because of Latino immigration. But I would say that in due time most of these will either become spiritual but not religious or Evangelical/Pentecostal. Particularly in Latin America the Catholic Church is gradually heading for extinction as she, like this papacy, is reducing Christianity to mere politics and it social issues. Typical of this mentality is the disgusting article in the current edition of the quasi official Civiltà Cattolica by Antonio Spadaro, an advisor to the pope.

People want God, not politics. Certainly there is the false religion of prosperity in Latin America that is attractive to some, but all that means is that people want God to be relevant to their immediate lives. That is what people want first, not social justice which is more in the realm of prudential judgement as opinion than doctrine. In terms of worship, if all that Catholicism has to offer to people is an obsolete and boring Novus Ordo liturgy, then Catholicism is doomed in favour of the Evangelicals who know how to stir the hearts of people for the Lord using words.

Mark Thomas said...

Victor said..."...if all that Catholicism has to offer to people is an obsolete and boring Novus Ordo liturgy, then Catholicism is doomed in favour of the Evangelicals who know how to stir the hearts of people for the Lord using words."

I believe that the Novus Ordo, as compared to the TLM, does not convey Catholic identity in powerful fashion. I believe that the restoration of the TLM is required should the Latin Church wish to overcome Her crisis of faith.

That said, my area is filled with non-Catholic Hispanic "churches." I have seen the worship services at several such churches...a stage...guitars, drums, and additional musical instruments...dancing, gyrating...the pastor preaches a "non-judgmental" message...and that passes for a "church."

That is what former Catholics who fill said "churches" desire. I question as to what extent the "boring" Novus Ordo is responsible for the exit of Hispanic Catholics from the Church.

The following is what I've found:

Akin to conversations I've had with Catholics who have joined the Episcopal Church and additional "mainstream" Protestant communities, Hispanic Catholics who have bolted from the Church have done so as they desire to live in sin.

That is, they wish to divorce and remarry, use artificial birth control, engage in sex outside marriage...and do so with the blessings of a "church/"pastor" who preaches that God does not condemn them.

I found the same recently at a local "church" filled with former Catholics who moved from Africa to America. The African "church" in question is filled with Catholics who are divorced and remarried...several have had children out of wedlock...

...the Africans gather on Sunday, play African music, gyrate...the "pastor" preaches a "non-judgmental" "Biblical" message.

We are in the midst of an apostasy within Holy Mother Church. In many parts of the world, Her children abandon Her in droves. In many cases, Catholics leave the Church as they wish to live in sin. They find non-Catholic religious communities who preach a "non-judgmental" "Gospel" message.

I am not certain that the "boring" Novus Ordo is the reason as to why said folks have abandoned the Church.

Pax.

Mark Thomas





Mark Thomas said...

The Church teaches that ecumenism must inform every aspect of Catholic life. Every aspect of Church life must take into account the Ecumenical Movement.

Translation: We must not "offend" non-Catholics. Catholics must not be "too" Catholic.

Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement has shattered Catholic identify.

It was a given that Catholic identity would begin to collapse as soon as Pope Venerable Pius XII launched the Church into the Ecumenical Movement. I know that that was not his intention. He was a holy man. But the Ecumenical Movement was dangerous to Catholicism as Pope Venerable Pius XII acknowledged.

Nevertheless, Pope Venerable Pius XII believed that the Holy Ghost had inspired the Ecumenical Movement. That sufficed for Pope Venerable Pius XII to have brought the Church into contact with the Ecumenical Movement.

The desire of our World War II Era Churchmen to "raze the bastions of the Church" opened the door to Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement. They were horrified by the war...by the Nazi-led Holocaust...and, in turn, opened the Church to the world via ecumenism.

Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement (opening the Church to the world) led logically to radical changes to Catholic life...we must guard against being "too" Catholic so as not to offend non-Catholics.

Catholic participation in the Ecumenical Movement led to radical changes in regard to liturgy, Church architecture, Papal symbols (the Papal Triple Tiara had to go), the manner in which the Papacy was exercised, fasting practices...an overall collapse of Catholic symbols...

...as Catholicism was watered-down so as not to appear "too Catholic" to non-Catholics.

-- Popes refused to offer the "too Catholic" TLM publicly, but would visit Rome's Lutheran church to worship with Protestants.

-- Popes would pray in synagogues and mosques, but not offer the TLM publicly.

-- Bishops eliminated Catholic symbols via church wreckovations, but would honor religious symbols employed by non-Catholics.

In light of all of the above, how could Catholic identity not collapse?

As Pope Benedict XVI declared in 2007 A.D., via his LETTER OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI TO THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE THIRD EUROPEAN ECUMENICAL ASSEMBLY ORGANIZED BY
THE COUNCIL OF EUROPEAN EPISCOPAL CONFERENCES AND BY THE CONFERENCE OF EUROPEAN CHURCHES

https://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/letters/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20070820_assemblea-sibiu.html

"With the Second Vatican Council, as my venerable Predecessor Pope John Paul II remarked, "the Catholic Church committed herself irrevocably to following the path of the ecumenical venture..."

Therefore, thanks to our Churchmen's determination to unite the Church irrevocably to the Ecumenical Movement, the continued collapse of Catholic identity is a given.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Anonymous said...

If Pope Francis is any indication of what Catholics in a Latino culture are like it's a wonder that any Catholics remain.

Having said that if Francis is typical of what the ordinary Jesuit priest is like then that whole order needs to be abolished ASAP.

Victor said...

Mark:
There may be truth in what you say, but I am going from the experience I have had with the young adult Latino students in my class. The religious fervour in many of them is amazing, and it is in the opposite direction that they converted from what you suggest, from a liberal Catholic Church to a conservative Christianity,albeit Protestant, and not the other way. The Catholic Mass means nothing to them anymore, because it probably did not meant that much to them before, and I reckon it is because it failed to speak to their hearts. In my opinion the TLM speaks much more to the heart than does the Novus Ordo which converges much more on the intellect.

In this respect, for some time now I have noticed that proportionately there are considerably more young families with children attending a TLM than a Novus Ordo Mass. And the young people at a TLM are generally very committed to their faith as opposed to those at a Novus Ordo who tend to simply do their duty of attendance. But, then, I cannot really judge the person and his motives, only what they say and do.