Another perspective on ad orientem--the priest leading
Either way, there'll be nothing to celebrate. By the way, I'd be careful using that "eeny meeny miney moe" rhyme. It apparently has a troubling origin.
DISPAIR? DISPAIR?You're kidding, right?
Don't curl up in a ball just yet. This is a great opportunity to remodel and clear out redundancy.
Vote for the candidate who will nominate pro-life originalist judges. Need I say more?
Just a guess but I would bet you will go with Hillary.
I am a "with it" and so mod! I spell like the younger generation who can't even right kersive. We mods spell as we darn well please! U kneed 2 get mod 2!
You should have listened to Bisop Morlino on "The World Over" (replayed by EWTN last night). You are not voting for a person. You are voting the future plan of our country; you are voting AGAINST the future you don't want for our country.
Bishop Morlino and Bishop Paprocki (a civil and a canon lawyer) both support Trump. Faithless bishops and priests support the Abortion Queen, Hillary, who says babies have no rights until they are born alive.
Anonymous at 8:49 is correct. From my own personal perspective, I told my 18 year old daughter that I was 19 in 1980 when I voted for Reagan for the first time and 23 in 1984, the second time. I am 55 now. I pointed out to her that we still have federal judges and supreme court justices who were appointed by Reagan. I told her that the person she votes for this time will also appoint judges who will still be serving when she one day finds herself at my current age. She got the point and voted accordingly . . .
Read this readers and weep. The Protestants are far more moral than we Catholics. Our "bishops" should be tarred and feathered along with the faithless pastors who promote evil by voting Democratic: Clinton Trump Johnson Stein Other Not Sure Protestant 33% 53% 7% 2% 0% 4%Catholic 48% 41% 4% 2% 1% 4%Other 40% 45% 7% - 5% 4%None 55% 22% 11% 4% 3% 5%
No, Father, you aren't the only one.This election is a divine judgment on our nation. We are between the devil and the deep blue sea.
If we didn't have a corrupt national media (Democrats with bylines) we would have better candidates. I put the media and US Catholic Bishops in the same category.
I like what I saw this morning on the way to work in Atlanta zip code 30318, a small Baptist Church sign---"Vote Right: Elect Jesus Christ for Eternity!" But I'm sure it would be beneath is dignity to want that position! As for the bishops mentioned above supporting Trump, it will matter little as both their respective states, Wisconsin and Illinois, are going to back Clinton---neither state has backed a Republican for president in over 25 years. They also run the risk of marginalizing themselves if Trump does not win---the old :his endorsement did not work" reality. And I say all this as someone not backing Clinton, or ever having voted Democratic for president.
The GOP convention was the most pro-life platform EVER. The DNC convention featured a Skype from prison by the notorious dr. Gosnell and was the most vociferously pro-abortion platform EVER.Trump has been talking about getting us OUT of wars and de-escalating tensions with the Russians while Hillary is blaming the Russians for everything and urging us to get more involved in flashpoints...so if there's war, it'll be much more likely from a President Hillary.Oh, and Trump doesn't smoke or drink alcohol. Hillary is a known "social drinker". So again, if the worry is nuclear confrontation.... having her on the button is not safer than a sober Trump.
So no one misunderstands. I have the greatest respect for Fathers McDonald and Fox, bright stars in a firmament of darkness. They are outstanding priests. But I am sick and tired of left-wing loon priests who subordinate their Faith to the "mimimum wage" and the Dem Party's pursuit of intrinsic evils like abortion and gay marriage. Next time I run into one of those priests, I will let them have it.
"This election is a divine judgment on our nation."First, your presumption of knowing God's mind is breathtaking. Re-read soon the Book of Job, especially the part where God put Job in his place for presuming to know God's mind. Chapter 38 is a good one for your reflection.Second, this statement is highly self-serving because it lets US off the hook. We have the candidates we have because we have created the ethos in which they could be nominated."The Media" didn't do it. George Soros didn't do it. The Koch brothers didn't do it. God has not visited Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump on us as some kind of judgment or comeuppance for our transgressions. This tragedy is man-made.
Election Day prayer from THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC website:Lord God, Creator of the world, our Heavently Father, have mercy on usChrist, redeemer of the world, Sovereign King, have mercy on usHoly Spirit, holy wisdom and sanctifier of the world, have mercy on us.Holy Trinity, one God, have mercy on us.Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for usHoly Mary, Immaculate Conception, pray for usImmaculate Mother patroness of America and of distant isles, pray for usSt. John Neumann, pray for usSt. Damien de Vuester, pray for usSt. Junipero Serra, pray for usSt. Francesca Cabrini, pray for usSt. Elizabeth Seton, pray for usSt. Rose Philippine Duchesne, pray for usSt. Katherine Drexel, pray for usSt. Theodora Guerin, pray for usSt. Marianne Cope, pray for usSt. Kateri Tekakwitha, pray for usAll ye holy American blesseds and venerables, pray for usBl. Francis Xavier Seelos, pray for usBl. Miriam Theresa, pray for usFrom Hillary Clinton’s plague of taxpayer-paid abortion up to the ninth month, Lord deliver usFrom Hillary Clinton’s plan to make churches change their pro-life teachings and deep-seated beliefs, Lord deliver us.From Hillary Clinton’s campaign’s plan to subvert the Catholic Church from within, Lord deliver us.From Hillary Clinton’s plan to import thousands and thousands of Muslim invaders, Lord deliver usFrom Hillary Clinton’s plan for legalized and taxpayer-paid euthanasia, Lord deliver us.From Hillary Clinton’s continued selling of government access to foreign powers who don’t like us, Lord deliver usFrom Hillary Clinton’s demonizing of poor people when speaking to her rich donors, and demonizing of rich people when speaking to the poor, Lord deliver us.From the effects of Hillary Clinton’s campaign’s participation in demonic rituals, Lord deliver us.From Hillary Clinton’s proposed $15-million amnesty tax per household, Lord deliver us.From Hillary Clinton’s plan to wage war with Russia, Lord deliver us.From Pope Francis’s meddling in American politics, Lord deliver us.For the sake of unborn babies slated to be killed by Hillary’s patronage of the evil Planned Parenthood, Lord hear our prayerFor the sake of Christians in the Middle East who are being killed and persecuted by jihadist Muslims as a result of botched Hillary Clinton foreign policy, Lord hear our prayerFor the sake of lawful immigrants unjustly discriminated against in favor of those who break the laws, Lord hear our prayer.For the sake of traditional marriage between one man and one woman, Lord hear our prayer.For the sake of our Supreme Court that needs to be filled with pro-life, conservative Justices who will defend our Constitution instead of rule from the bench, Lord hear our prayer.For the sake of those who’ve lost their jobs due to outsourcing to foreign countries, Lord hear our prayer.For the sake of Mr. Trump, a very flawed candidate, but has the more Catholic agenda than that of Mrs. Clinton’s evil policies, Lord hear our prayer.Father, may it be according to Your will that Mr. Trump wins. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.PRAYERLord God of the universe, Father of Our King Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father, have mercy on Your people of the United States of America. Open the eyes of American Catholics on the dangers of voting for Hillary Clinton on this most critical elections. Hear the prayer of Our Blessed Mother and our American saints who in life have worked for mercy and justice. With them, we pray for the healing of our land so that Your Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Through our Lord, Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with You and the Holy Spirit forever. Amen.
As Christians, it is our mission to spread the Gospel. However, Catholics in particular do very little to invite non-believers into the Faith. If we do not evangelize and convert our nation, then how can we expect the average voter to make good decisions, especially in the primaries?
I'm just as concerned about a grandiose, Leftist Pope who wants to add more Beatitudes. Hubris, anyone? Presumption? Heresy?What a complete joke this Pope is making of the Church.
Bee here:It's interesting...I didn't make up my mind completely until very late last night. I was going to write in a candidate, because not voting for Clinton was a no-brainer, but I was having a hard time with the idea of voting FOR Trump.Our priest in his homily at Mass on Sunday spoke about how the one party says they are pro-choice, but really are "no-choice" except if it's their choice. He encouraged us to think carefully about the kinds of things that would probably happen in our society if the liberals were elected, including continued and increased persecution of Christians and prevention of free exercise of religion. As of yesterday night I still intended to write in, but I was tuned into a Protestant minister on T.V., and he spoke about the Republican and Democratic platforms, and mentioned although he certainly understood the trepidation of voting for the man Trump, the issue is really to look at the platforms and compare the party platforms, and vote for that.That sealed it for me. Today, in the voting booth, I held my nose and voted for Trump. I knew I had to show my support for the platform, not the person.God help and bless America.Bee
Bee,What a beautiful statement. You were open to the truth. Too bad that certain priests who post here voted for evil. May God have mercy on their souls
Whatever you think of the two candidates, establishment politicians with a strong sense of entitlement need to be reminded that they are the servants of the people. In the UK they got this reminder forcefully on 23 June. In the US they got it last night.Trump's victory is good for democracy.
Yes, Bee, exactly. Too bad for us Catholics that you had to rely on a Protestant minister on T.V., but he spoke the truth and you did your best-- conscience formation is what it's all about.
Re: Good for DemocracyDe Tocqueville defines individualism as “a calm and considered feeling which disposes each citizen to isolate himself from the mass of his fellows and withdraw into the circle of family and friends; with this little society formed to his taste, he gladly leaves the greater society to look after itself.” Now, De Toqueville says that this individualism, which is based on misguided judgment rather than depraved feelings, is an inherent characteristic of democrary. it allows for a greater possibility of tyranny and diminishes the virtues of selflessness and love of one’s neighbor — and, besides, self-sufficiency is a chimera, as no person ever lives by his personal efforts alone. The effect of individualism on morals seems worth considering, since there does seem to be a marked shift in our understanding thereof from other times and places. Have we traded a positive understanding of social responsibility: that we mutually assist and instruct each other, for a negative one: that we not interfere? (Alexis de Tocqueville on Individualism December 17, 2009 / Molly Dodd, https://mollydodd.wordpress.com/.../alexis-de.../)
Anonymous @ 9:06: That is why we are a Republic and not a Democracy. Look it up.
The same forces that lead to radical individualism in a democracy lead to the same in our form of republic.Look it up.
Nolan gets it. Good on us for rejecting entitlement; bad on us for not having better choices.
Well, Anonymous got it wrong when he said "As for the bishops mentioned above supporting Trump, it will matter little as both their respective states, Wisconsin and Illinois, are going to back Clinton---neither state has backed a Republican for president in over 25 years" because as we know Wisconsin did go for Trump, which goes to show that every vote does literally count and nothing can be taken for granted in this day and age. I don't even live in the States but the States has such an influence on other countries that I am mighty glad that Trump was elected. Certainly, he has said some things that I am sure he now regrets but everyone, even at his age, can grow and learn, and when you dig through the entrenched media bias against him there are many who say he has done a lot of good things and he said himself he gets on best with the ordinary man in the street than the elites. This election certainly proved that ...Jan
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