Earthquakes and Divine Chastisement/Retribution
There was a dust-up at the Vatican recently when a well known Italian Dominican priest, Father Cavocoli, who is also a moral theologian, said this about the recent major earthquakes in Italy, in particular, the destruction of the Benedictine Basilica in Norcia, Saint Benedict's birth place:
Padre Cavacoli was ousted from Radio Maria by Padre Livio Fanzaga after the following episode: a caller asked him live if the earthquake might have been a punishment from God for the approval of the Law on Civil Unions for couples of the same sex (the CirinnĂ Law), and Cavalcoli just said that natural disasters are indeed a punishment for original sin, and followed up by saying that the caller's interpretation was a possible one (that is, Cavalcoli merely repeated what Tradition and Scripture teach on Original Sin). For his response Cavalcoli was fired and had his program canceled.
And now there are some in the Catholic Church in this country who are saying that the election of Donald Trump is a sign from God of divine retribution of the Obama/Clinton's administration to try to make the Catholic Church eat pork by forcing her private insurance companies to provide reproductive and abortion services to anyone employed by the Church. The perversion of natural marriage codified in law, is another example begging retribution from God or tempting God to act.
As well, it is well known through leaked emails, that Hilary Clinton's disdain for the Catholic Church stems from her belief that the Church is backwards on sexual morality and marriage, women's rights, contraception and abortion rights. And that they, meaning the democrats, must change the Church! Such arrogance, no? But President Obama tried to do the same thing in a very dictatorial way.
Can one make a case, based upon Catholic teaching, that God does indeed visit us with Divine retribution that can also affect the innocent and the guilty alike? After all isn't God the Lord of live and death?
What does the Catholic Church actually teach about Divine Retribution in this life and the next?
The same Domican priest, a doctor of theology, doubled down on his opinion and others chime in from this artlce by Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register:
The Dominican, (Fr. Cavacoli)however, did not issue a mea culpa, (on his chastisement by the Vatican) insisting: "I reaffirm everything: earthquakes are provoked by the sins of men, such as civil unions”, and urged a reading of the Catechism. He added: "I've been a doctor of theology for thirty years, I worked in the Vatican with Saint John Paul II and I repeat that sins like homosexuality deserve divine retribution which can be manifested in earthquakes."
Recalling also Sodom and Gomorrah, Father Cavalcoli stressed that such statements that “homosexuality is against nature” and that homosexuals are sinners “do not go against the principles of Christian ethics.”
Radio Maria distanced itself from his comment, saying it is his own personal opinion and “absolutely does not reflect” those of the station. In response, Father Cavalcoli said they, too, should also read the Catechism.
The Dominican’s comments are by no means isolated and his sentiment is one shared by many here since the series of major earthquakes began, each of which was clearly felt in Rome — especially the latest on Oct. 30. That they might signify something, and that God is possibly speaking to us through them, is not an uncommon topic of conversation here.
Given the current state of the world and the Church, this is perhaps unsurprising. Also, as one Rome source close to the Vatican pointed out: “Doesn’t the Gospel record that there was a violent earthquake at the moment of Our Blessed Lord’s death?,” referring to Matthew 27:51 — And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
“The High Priest Caiaphas probably didn’t have a press office,” he added wryly, “but if he did, it would have been busy saying that the earthquake had nothing to do with the execution of Jesus of Nazareth.”
A loss of symbolism reflecting reality
In an op-ed published on Saturday, Church historian Robert de Mattei explained why he also thinks Archbishop Becciu is thoroughly mistaken in his viewpoint.Writing in Corrispondenza Romana, Professor De Mattei said that in the past, man was “able to read the messages of God” in such events, “expressed in the language of the symbol”. It is “not a conventional representation, but it is the deepest expression of things.”
But he explained that modern rationalism, from Descartes to Hegel, from Marx to neo-scientism, “wished to rationalize nature by replacing the truth of the symbol with a purely quantitative interpretation of nature.” Today’s postmodern culture has therefore created “a new system of symbols” which, “unlike the old ones, do not return one to the reality of things, but rather warp it as in a game of mirrors.” So instead, De Mattei said, we have modern communications, from tweets to talk-shows, that “aim to create emotion and arouse feelings, refusing to grasp the profound reasons for things.”
He pointed out, for example, that the destruction of the basilica and cathedral in Norcia, evokes a loss of central Italy's artistic heritage, but the media “can't imagine it signifying a collapse of faith or of the fundamental values of Christian civilization.” The earthquake then, “despite being used in common parlance to indicate cultural and social upheaval, can never defer to divine intervention, because God can only be presented as merciful, never as just.”
Those who do link it to divine intervention, he said, immediately find themselves slandered in the media, as happened to Father Cavalcoli. “If there is a scandal there, it is caused by the position of the Vatican prelate who displays ignorance of Catholic theology and the teachings of the popes,” De Mattei said, and cited the following words from Benedict XVI, spoken at a general audience in May 2011, on the subject of God’s punishment exacted on Sodom and Gomorrah:
“The Lord was prepared to forgive, he wanted to forgive but the cities were locked into a totalizing and paralyzing evil, without even a few innocents from whom to start in order to turn evil into good. This the very path to salvation that Abraham too was asking for: being saved does not mean merely escaping punishment but being delivered from the evil that dwells within us. It is not punishment that must be eliminated but sin, the rejection of God and of love which already bears the punishment in itself. The Prophet Jeremiah was to say to the rebellious people: “Your wickedness will chasten you, and your apostasy will reprove you. Know and see that it is evil and bitter for you to forsake the Lord your God” (Jer 2:19).”De Mattei recalled that between August and September 2016 the first civil unions took place in Italy after Prime Minister Matteo Renzi signed it into law on July 23. “This law is a moral earthquake because it breaks down the natural walls of divine law,” the historian said. “How can one imagine that this wretched law won’t have consequences?”
“Today,” he said, “man rebels against God and nature rebels against man. Or rather, man rebels against the natural law, which has its basis in God, and the disorder of nature explodes.”
The new law, he added, “does not destroy houses, but the institution of the family, producing moral and social devastation no less serious than that of a physical earthquake. Who can deny us the right to think that the disorder of nature is allowed by God as a result of the denial of the natural order implemented by the ruling classes of the West?”
De Mattei also applied the symbolism of ruined churches (they bore the brunt of the destruction in the most recent quake) with the current state of the Catholic Church. He had earlier noted how the basilica of St. Benedict, built on the site of the saint's birthplace, "remains only a flimsy facade", and mentioned how American media, such as CNN, "stressed the symbolic nature of the event."
“They [the destroyed churches] are the expression of an ecclesiastical world in ruins, that draws upon itself other ruins,” he said, adding that he believes the apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia and the recent commemoration of the Reformation in Sweden “have certainly not helped to restore order to this shattered world.”
“The Pope repeats that we should not build walls but tear them down,” he noted. “Well the walls are crumbling, but with them, the Catholic faith and morals are collapsing. Christian civilization is collapsing, which, in Norcia, the birthplace of St. Benedict, has as its symbolic cradle.”
But he added that the statue of St. Benedict still stands in the center of the square, around which monks, nuns and lay people gathered to recite the Rosary. “This is also a symbolic message that speaks to us of the only possible reconstruction: that which is done on one’s knees, praying,” he said.
And along with prayer, he added, must come “action, the fight, the public witness to our faith in the Church and in Christian civilization that will rise from the rubble. Our Lady of Fatima promised this.
“But before the triumph of the Immaculate Heart,” he concluded, “the Blessed Virgin also envisaged punishment for unrepentant mankind. We must have the courage to remember that.”
SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP AS DIVINE RETRIBUTION AGAINST THE OBAMA/CLINTON ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS EARTHQUAKES IN ITALY?
12 comments:
Earthquake: "I was spending all my time carousing and my money on condoms so when the earthquake happened I was not prepared and the buildings were in a bad state and fell on me. Is it really God's will that I act responsibly?"
Trump Election: "I don't like the person who saved me from Cruella Deville. I'm gonna bang my spoon on this high chair until Bishop Schneider is appointed President."
The idea that God sends death and destruction on innocent people as a punishment for the guilty, who may well get off unharmed, makes God a very petty, very unjust actor.
Some "Christians" claimed that the attacks on 9/11 were another example of God's chastisement. However, that makes the evil men who flew the planes into the towers the chosen agents of God, doing God's will, following God's commands. If that is the case, we cannot condemn those who did what the Lord commanded...
There's something very wrong with this picture.
Do our Churchmen, from His Holiness Pope Francis to the most humble, tiny parish priest, require the sight of a church in rubble to acknowledge that the Church is in rubble (symbolically)?
Do our Churchmen not recognize that their "modernization" of the Church has wrecked shipwrecked the Faith?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
God uses flawed humans to carry out his Providence all the time.
Does any Democrat think Obama is perfect? No. Do you nevertheless believe he's done some 'good things'? I'd imagine so otherwise you'd not be Democrats. But to paraphrase Obama himself, are we to assume that the good Obama was able to do was exclusively done by him, unaided by God's actual grace? I didn't think so.
So why is it impossible that God could use Trump to carry out some good work? Why the double standard? We casually accept that God can use Egypt's leader to save Joseph so as to save the Israelites. That God can use Cyrus - another pagan ruler - to restore the Jerusalem. In Maccabees we see that God used Rome to help the Jews against the Greeks. Constantine was a pagan when he lifted the Roman laws against Christianity.
So why - despite all these cases - must we think that God can't possibly use men (or nature) to effect change in society? He most certainly can.
As for the conceit that God doesn't punish the guilty via nature or man...that's both unbiblical and not Catholic. Our Lord himself warned people with respect to calling their attention to those killed by a falling tower and those killed by Pilate, ending with "and you'll suffer similar fates unless you convert". There are consequences for sin - in the environment and in society.
Aren't we supposed to hyperventilate over man-made global warming? Isn't it man's sins that supposedly will cause environmental and subsequently, human, harm? yes. But suddenly there's no tacit acceptance that OTHER categories of sin cause natural disasters?
A difficult question. God allows us to bring about our own destruction through our flawed will and concupiscent nature. I do believe God judges nations through historical events, to which the OT gives ample witness.
The work of God was seen in events everywhere during the so-called Middle Ages. But today we know better. Gnosis has given us that Enlightenment in our intellect which removes our understanding of creation further from God, since, as we know, God is no longer needed to explain the phenomena in our World. Indeed, the rule of the goddess Reason dictates that contrary views be suppressed, that selective intolerance is not really intolerance but a mark of progressive thinking.
I wonder how many more years it will be before a Church council is called to address the growing apostasy within the Church. I hope it is soon, before another great schism in the West occurs.
It is not unjust for God to take the life of anyone, guilty or innocent (if anyone is truly innocent). Actually, better that the lives of righteous people be lost in natural disasters as they have an eternal reward awaiting. These natural disasters (not elections) are Gods Mercy, warning all to repent and turn to Him.
St Michael the Archangel defend us in battle.....
Trump's win was simply a result of his popularity, for better or worse. The earthquake was caused by movement of tectonic plates. Divine punishment is Hell, and that comes after death and judgement.
If the men who flew the planes into the World Trade towers were agents of God's mercy, if they were doing the work of God, if they were being used by God to effect change in society, then we cannot condemn them.
We must praise them, build monuments at the tower site to remember them as men who accomplished the will of God in extraordinary ways, and teach our children to be like them in carrying out God's will.
There's something very wrong with this picture...
If they had not struck on 911 and there had been no war in Iraq and Afghanistan we would be opening our borders a fifth column of millions of refugee soldiers. Of course the satanic pilots on those planes were not acting conciously on God's loving will. But He allowed that they reveal their intentions in time for us to react. Just as the sound of a bolt closing in the bush, the smell of a sweaty shirt on a light breeze each tell us that an attacker lies in wait.
If Trump had has also sent by God it may be to shame those of us who claim higher moral status into action.
"Allowed" and "willed/caused" are two very different things.
If God allows the innocent to die that's one thing.
If God wills or causes the innocent to die by terrorist attack or natural disaster, that converts God into a being who carries out great evil.
God allows things to happen. To a large extent, the world has turned away from God and He has been replaced in the minds of many young people by the iPhone and other such gadgets and social media is their prayer. However, the youth growing up in the midst of earthquakes and war quickly find out that money and possessions can't help them in the face of an earthquake or a war, and probably that expensive iPhone won't even work and can't be of any help. It is events like an earthquake that actually cause people to turn to God for help because they are faced by the reality that there is nothing in this world that we can rely on but Him.
I think that the growth of violence in society is also down to the fact that the majority are no longer baptized. Therefore, they are all carrying the weight of original sin and are under the power of the devil so we get many evil acts perpetrated in society and many young people seem to revel in violence.
Many in the Church have let the youth down by becoming of the world themselves. There won't be any change in society until everyone in the Church turns back to God and upholds the 10 Commandments and the beatitudes.
Jan
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