#1, The good bishop, bless his little heart, has shown the world and more than likely Pope Leo XIV just how mean, unjust and stupid TC is and this may well persuade Pope Leo to address this unjust situation rather quickly. Time will tell.
#2, the good bishop, bless his little heart, has shown the world just how silly certain 1970’s ideology about the Modern Mass are, especially its rubrics. Perhaps this will move Pope Leo XIV to address the problems with the Modern Mass and enable the Ancient Mass to have a gravitational pull upon it to clean it up, make it more like the Ancient Mass, even in the vernacular, and allow by rubrics the things that Bishop Martin wants to forbid since these aren’t in the rubrics, like ad orientem, birettas, bells, Latin, kneeling for Holy Communion and altar railings and head coverings for women.
Edward Pentin has a good article in the National Catholic Register about what the option are for Pope Leo XIV in addressing the liturgical devisions that Pope Francis’ papacy put on steroids. You can read it here.
One suggestion is that Pope Leo simply suppress TC and reinstitute SP.
If the Holy Father does this, I do think His Holiness needs to address any problems that SP caused for bishops or bishops caused for themselves.
1. Perhaps new names should be given, rather than ordinary and extraordinary. What might that be? Why not just make it easy. The Ancient Mass (AM) and the Modern Mass (MM), the Latin Church’s one Mass in two diverse Rites.
2. Bishops need to be involved with priests and communities who celebrate both forms of the Mass. They themselves must learn how to celebrate both forms of the Mass, especially the Modern Mass by celebrating it properly without ad libs and multiple commentaries and greetings during it breaking the train of prayer that the Mass is.
3. There are to be no “rogue” celebrations of the Ancient Mass without the Bishop’s approval, meaning the First Mass of newly ordained priests or priests celebrating the Ancient Mass in place of a normally celebrated Modern Mass. The Ancient Mass must be well advertised in parish bulletins and Catholics must not be caught off guard by having a priest impose the Ancient Mass on a congregation because it is the priest’s preference.
4. The laity who request the other sacraments in the Ancient Form, to include Requiems, must be allowed this option and the parish must provide appropriate worship aids to assist those who attend the Ancient Liturgies of the Church.
5. There must be a crackdown on the liturgical abuses that occur with regular frequency in the Modern Mass, especially ad libs, incessant chatting at various points in the Mass by the celebrant, even bishops. Read the black and do the red and make clear that ad orientem is possible, kneeling for communion is allowed and altar railings are not banned!
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The NO should be as regulated as the TLM. Adhering to rubrics is decades past due. Denying communion on the tongue is past due to be addressed.
Some fortification around the TLM is needed as i was reading that clergy of a certain generation simply hate tradition.
Leo would do well to go beyond simple legislation. Model and celebrate that which is precious to many. Acknowledge that the 70s mentality appeals mostly to those who lived through it. Strange, I did as well and completely disliked it growing up.
And, yes, 100% on the favor.
He's demonstrated how bad it's become, how out of touch he is and how the bishop was essentially creating his own version of the RC - imposing his own preferences. Unchecked, he would have created a malaise that many wouldn't likely have lasted through.
Bishop Martin is slightly younger than I am. However, he grew up in the Baltimore area and was very influenced by how the liberal bishop of Baltimore, at that time, Bishop Border’s, implemented Vatican II. My seminary there was on the cutting edge of throwing out every pre-Vatican II in favor of the so-called new Church, new and improved. Baltimore was quite influenced by my seminary and the priests produced there for Baltimore. I suspect, too, he was influenced by Fr. Eugene Walsh, a well known and well followed liturgists at that time and a complete disaster for the liturgy of the Church. He is stuck in that period because he thinks that period of time was the right direction for the Church but clearly is was not then and certainly not now!
From Edward Pentin's article in question;
Peter Kwasniewski offered the following as an option that Pope Leo XIV could embrace: His Holiness could declare...
"The past four years have brought to our attention the difficulties and hardships that the policy of my predecessor have occasioned, and we judge it opportune to restore the policy of Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum."
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That would prove disastrous, if we are to believe the following from Peter Kwasniewski: He has insisted that Summorum Pontificum was a dreadful, muddle document that was destined to have failed.
There was even a certain cruelty to Summorum Pontificum, if we are to believe Peter Kwasniewski. He declared:
"Summorum Pontificum is destined to be one of the great papal interventions in all of history, but it is no more than damage control; it is not a pillar, much less a foundation, of a permanent structure.
"And those who lean on it too much will find themselves crushed by its incoherences."
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That is just the tip of the iceberg in regard to manner in which Peter Kwasniewski has trashed Summorum Pontificum. Peter Kwasniewski added, for example:
"My goal in this presentation will be to walk through Summorum Pontificum and identify its principal flaws, the elements in it that act as weights pulling us down, so that we can resolutely go beyond it to retrieve the fullness of the Tridentine heritage that constitutes the authentic Roman rite."
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Peter Kwasniewski is not alone among "traditionalists" who have opined that Summorum Pontificum was a flawed document that had been destined to collapse...as well as "crush" hopes.
If various "traditionalists" are correct in regard to Summorum Pontificum's supposed destructive flaws, then why would we return to said document?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Fatherf McDonald said..."Bishop Martin...I suspect, too, he was influenced by Fr. Eugene Walsh, a well known and well followed liturgists at that time and a complete disaster for the liturgy of the Church."
"He is stuck in that period because he thinks that period of time was the right direction for the Church but clearly is was not then and certainly not now!"
It may be that via prayers, charitable guidance, and uplifting support, Bishop Martin will reconsider certain opinions that he has held in regard to liturgy.
Embracing Bishop Martin in prayerful, charitable fashion is the Catholic Way.
I am hopeful that my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ will experience liturgical peace in Charlotte, as well as throughout the Church.
Let us pray for Bishop Martin.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Embracing Peter Kwasniewski in prayerful, charitable fashion is the Catholic Way.
Just to be clear:
I have recognized that Summorum Pontificum failed to achieve the liturgical peace that holy Pope Benedict XVI had desired. However, I do not blame him for said failure.
Should he desire to move us beyond Summorum Pontificum, as well as Traditionis Custodes, then Pope Leo XIV must, I believe, address serious problems that are found within the TLM Movement, as well among folks who despise the TLM.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Mark the liturgy wars are primarily from the Modern Mass crowd and Catholics who wanted it celebrated by the book verse those who are into grotesque creativity. This was well before SP and there have been Modern Mass liturgy wars since the late 1960's. By far the largest crowd of Catholics who can create a true schism in the Church are Modern Mass Catholics, who either have already left the Church for something else or nothing, or want to change the Church into something she isn't like Germany. I still can't get over how you look at the speck of problems in the TLM communities and fail to see the giant in the Modern Mass communities which includes bishops and cardinals.
You raise a good and fair point here, Fr.
The NO, and associated ideologies just appeared, a moment in time. If truly organic reform had occurred, perhaps the succeeding decades would have been more peaceful and more Catholics would have been retained. For decades, many in the hierarchy have been thumbing their noses at rubrics, "We should rediscover..fill in the blank" documents accompanied by questionable formation at all levels. And yet, this sliver of the remaining population remains under a microscope of scrutiny from which all others appear immune. This needs to stop else unity remains a pipe dream. Neither side is going away and the left leaning fringe is only becoming worse.
Father McDonald, I understand the serious problems in regard to liturgical abuses, as well as additional problems, that have long involved "Modern Mass communities." I am concerned greatly about that.
I understand that speaking relatively, the amount of TLM folks, as compared to additional Catholics, is microscopic. But that should not prevent me from caring about my brothers and sisters within TLM communities. That should not prevent me from expressing concerns in regard to the serious problems that have long plagued TLM communities.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald,
This is what Bishop Martin may derail with his “edicts!”
https://catholicnewsherald.com/90-news/local/11702-first-class-of-homegrown-diocesan-priests-to-be-ordained
Are there 'clown masses' happening in the USA? (I saw the blasphemy from Germany and am not including them). @Anthony - What parts of the NO are the restricted? Can anyone think of a reason to have any version of the Holy Mass in Latin? Why is there a Novus Ordo? Why would the VO be restricted at all?
MT Suit continues to lie about the TLM communities - serious problems? Give us all a break and pander these calumnies elsewhere. The National Anti-Catholic Reporter crowd would love you!
A positive article on the Charlotte situation. These TLM folks sound like the soul of charity!
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/our-bishop-is-listening-to-us-young
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