TLM MASS GOERS KNOW THAT ASH WEDNESDAY AND THE BEGINNING OF LENT IS ABOUT THREE WEEKS AWAY! MODERN MASS PARISHIONERS ARE CLUELESS. THE MODERNS WILL WAKE UP ON ASH WEDNESDAY AND REALIZE THEY AREN’T READY FOR LENT, ALMOST LIKE WAKING UP ON CHRISTMAS MORNING AND NOT REALIZING IT IS CHRISTMAS DAY ALREADY!—YIKES!!!!
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Father McDonald,
Here is an interesting article from The New Liturgical Movement on this subject:
https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2025/02/the-antiquity-and-universality-of-fore.html
No, those of us who follow the traditional contemporary calendar are not "clueless" when it comes to the approaching season of Lent, nor will we be "unprepared." In these modern times, we have things like church bulletins that present information about the coming Lenten season. We have FaceBook, Instagram, etc., that can and do spread the information far and wide. We have pre-Lent teaching in our schools and adult education classes. One need not follow what you call the "traditional" seasons to know that Lent is approaching. (I might point out that this very day in my homily I spoke of the need to anticipate Lent and to make preparations for the season.)
As day follows night, Father Snarky arrives. “Traditional Contemporary” is an oxymoron. It is a calender cooked up by a committee that violates the express mandate of SS that no changes be made to the Liturgy which do not better the Church. Most of the changes that were made appear to benefit lazy clerics who did not want to learn Latin!
"Traditional contemporary" isn't an oxymoron when you define tradition as "moving forward" and other such jesuitical nonsense.
As for dropping Septuagesima, can we really say that it was truly for the good of the Church when the stated reasons for its suppression were (1) it's too hard to explain to stupid laity and (2) it's hard to pronounce? I kid you not--that's what the Consilium had to say about it.
Nick
Nick,
Spot on!
TJM - Not that you will have any realization of your error, but when you say, "Most of the changes that were made appear to benefit lazy clerics who did not want to learn Latin!" you fail to realize that if they were clerics, they already knew Latin.
Ol' Nick - The word "traditional" gets misused by folks here quite a bit, so I thought "Why not join the club?" There was a time when every traditional practice was novel, when it was not a universal practice, when people said, "Oh, that's just jesuitical nonsense."
Of course, no one has acknowledged the real point - that Fr. ALLAN McDonald's post makes no sense when there are many, many ways to introduce forewarn, or otherwise inform the faithful that Lent is just around the corner.
K, lol! Once Latin begin to be stripped out from the Mass, most seminarians stopped studying Latin. I know dozens of them who eventually were ordained who abandoned studying it as soon as they could. I call that lazy. I assume you could not celebrate Mass in Latin if your life depended on it! I know you never helped Father McDonald to give him a Sunday off!
Veterum Sapientia was issued because most priests on the eve of the Council were not competent in Latin. A close friend of mine taught seminarians Latin and Greek and told me he was pleased VS was issued. He hoped it would result in greater competency in the Latin language amongst the clergy.
I guess K knows he was checkmated. On another note, K, were you disappointed you could attend this?
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The Kennedy Center has canceled an upcoming LGBTQIA+ Pride performance by the Gay Men’s Chorus of Washington, DC (GMCW), shortly after President Donald Trump took the reins as chairman of the venue’s board.
The GMCW, a 250-member singing group of gay men that has performed for the Bidens, Clintons, and Obamas, announced that they are “deeply disappointed” with the Kennedy Center’s decision in a Tuesday night Facebook post:
Fr. Michelle--er, Fr. Kavanaugh (you see how easy that is? Gee. And I'm so unsophisticated!),
You seem to be impervious to exhortations to charity, much less basic manners, and even much less ever recognizing when you're laid by the lee. But it's worth pointing out for the edification of others
It's funny you should mention that "there was a time when every traditional practice was novel." I suppose that means tradition can mean whatever we want, right? Surely we won't reduce the meaning of "tradition" to whatever you want it to mean--it's the future, it's the present, it's not the past (certainly nothing from before 1970). It's whatever novelty that tickles your fancy--after all, anything is potential tradition.
It's funny you should mention universal practices. Such as, the universal or near-universal practice of every Church of observing pre-Lent in some form for centuries if not over a millenium--until the "traditional contemporary" 1970 calendar abolished it because the "sophisticated" committee men thought people were too stupid to understand it or pronounce the names of the Sundays involved. How "traditional" of them! At least that self-important, clericalist pride is alive and well in the priesthood today--another contemporary tradition!
That's not to mention other universal practices, such as every single Church abandoning Communion in the hand for over a millenium until the "traditional contemporary" Church moved so far forward (after all, "tradition is moving forward") that, by rebellion and rejection of the Pope's authority, the bishops "revived" the "tradition." What a wonderful contemporary tradition!
It's funny you should mention that there was a time when every tradition was novel. The traditions we have are what has been formed and shaped by the Holy Spirit directly or the Saints of God and stood the test of time. Can we say the same about our "contemporary traditions," which despite the name, are novelties that were introduced so hubristically as to cancel practices that were traditions by virtue of being handed on from our forefathers--not fabricated on the spot by a bunch of contradictory, squabbling sub-committees cajoled and misguided by a dishonest hatchetman?
As for jesuitical nonsense--indeed, there was not a time when people called every traditional practice "jesuitical nonsense." You may be shocked--shocked!--to learn that a vast swathe of tradition and Tradition has been handed down to us from the time before the Society of Jesus came into being, and even more comes from before the time it was a punchline for "reasoning" and conduct too cute by half. I'm surprised they didn't cover that in seminary--but then again, maybe they were too sophisticated in the 1980s to cover such material. In any event, I never said that one practice or another was "jesuticial nonsense," but rather unserious ideological statements like "tradition is moving forward." Once again, your habit of seeing what you want to see, rather than what's actually there, emerges.
In any event, the point you're trying to win is a specious one. Fr. AJM's post title itself refers to "most," not all. He never denied that there are ways to introduce the approach the faithful to Lent other than marking it on the liturgical calendar--just that doing so is rather rare. I suppose you missed that in your rush to prove how correct and perspicacious you really are. It's not too surprising--there have been many, many times that you have demonstrated that you don't care what other people say or think, given how often you act as if they said something they did not.
Nick
Nick,
Bravo, magnificent response!
The liturgical "reforms" were not asked for by the Faithful (other than a handful of folks). When the "reforms" began, many started voting with their feet until eventually it became a stampede. The bitter clingers from the 1960s and 1970s will attribute almost any other reason as to why folks stop coming to Mass, except the obvious one.
If the "reformers" were not so invested in their hubris, a wiser approach would have been to retain at least one TLM on Sunday and introduce the reforms in other Masses that day. Eventually we would have learned what really works.
I remember when virtually every parish had a "guitar" Mass, now there are virtually none, and where they exist, the musicians are usually in their 70s. Slobbism is also dying out. In the two parishes I attend, the ugly mensa is now covered with an antependium and there are tall, elegant candlesticks on the altar and the chalice is vested when not in use. The priests wear very nice vestments, and one of the priests wears the maniple. Both parishes have re-introduced Latin in their musical repertoire and no one is storming the doors to get out. Hopefully the next Pope will reinstate Summorum Pontificum and give the loons in the Worship office in Rome the boot,
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