Has dumbed down, sin enabling Catholicism, in the name of pastoral sensitivity, brought about its logical conclusion, the culture of death?
Vigilantly social justice has been around in the Church since about 1968. Think of priests and nuns breaking into military installations to dint military weapons in pursuit to a pacifistic Catholicism and world order.
Civil disobedience, breaking, entering and damaging defensive and offensive weaponry happened quite frequently in my Diocese of Savannah by priests, religious and laity, especially in Columbus, GA and and nuclear submarine base at King's Bay on our coast.
But worse yet, is the glorification of abortion by the Democrat Party with unbridled promotion of abortion, the murder of innocent unborn children in their mother's womb and calling it women's healthcare!
Both President Joe Biden, a pious, liturgical Catholic, and his airhead Vice President, Kamala Harris, glory in abortion and promote the most vicious form of the culture of death that there is. They deserved the landslide loss in the last election which I think is retribution from God almighty!
Promoting death as a solution to a problem, be it a unwanted or problematic pregnancy or a CEO that one decides is responsible for the state of health care in our country and denying people in need the care they need are closely linked.
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Pelosi’s Dad who erected a statue to honor Confederate generals Lee and Jackson was a “devout” Catholic like his daughter. Sounds like their Catholicism was and is shallow!
"Has dumbed down, sin enabling Catholicism, in the name of pastoral sensitivity, brought about its logical conclusion, the culture of death?"
No. How many Catholics from the pre-"dumbed down, sin enabling" times in Catholicism were notorious criminals? Many. Remember the powerful pre-reform Baptism/assassination scene from "The Godfather?" They were all "good Catholics" long before any of the dumbing-down you erroneously blame.
Juan Severino Mallari (September 22, 1785 – 1840) was a Filipino Catholic priest and serial killer. Again, all before the "sin-enabling" days to which you refer.
Etc...
No, it is convenient for you and others to blame Vatican Two and everything siunce for the ills of the Church and society. But it is a baseless accusation.
And as you girly-giggle over the "landslide" election results, consider this: "A key legal adviser to Robert Kennedy Jr, Donald Trump’s pick for health secretary, is at the center of efforts to push federal drug regulators to revoke approval for the polio and hepatitis B vaccines and block distribution of 13 other critical vaccines.
Aaron Siri, a lawyer who has been helping Kennedy select top health administrators as part of the Trump transition process, is deeply embedded in longstanding efforts to force the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to withdraw a raft of vaccines that have saved the lives and health of millions of Americans.
Siri has been sitting alongside Kennedy in interviews in which they have asked candidates for top health jobs where they stand on vaccines, the New York Times reported on Friday." - The Guardian, Fri 13 Dec 2024 08.34 EST
A priest who supports the party of Intrinsic Evil is hardly someone to listen to on matters of faith and morals.
Fr. MJK,
In the "before times," how many national politicians protected abortion rights as "sacred" and "part of their Catholic faith" and fobbed off their ordinaries in the process?
How many campaigns were there to "shout your abortion"?
How many people were hormonally or surgically mutilated and sterilized so they could live as they truly are? How many Catholic politicians advocated for such barbarous treatments?
Why do you ignore Vatican II's teaching that Catholics are to "see that the divine law is inscribed in the life of the earthly city"?
It was stated in those heady days that, before the Council, the Church was "the city set on a hill, the stable bulwark against the revolutionary change," but no longer thereafter. Gee, I wonder if that might've had any effect on how our culture has unraveled since then. I wonder if the Church suddenly deciding to undergo Her own revolutionary changes rather than being steady in a time of societal upheaval might've had some effect on wider society's revolutions. Ah well, mustn't think about that. We're much better off now, after all!
Plus, people sinned before, so that means how the Church has mismanaged things for over a half a century couldn't possibly have anything to do with the growing nuttery going on today. Obviously!
And it's very obvious you haven't gotten over November 5th--I certainly hope you reach acceptance soon. At least that would mean you'd stop throwing the toys out of the pram and at our gracious host.
Nick
TJM - As usual you evade the matter at hand. You do so because you cannot speak to it in any meaningful way. Everything with you is "ad hominem."
Ol' Nick - First, "our gracious host" is, I believe, wrong. You think that stating this is somehow equivalent to throwing toys out of my pram. It's not.
You, too, evade my point - intentionally. Long before Vat II there were members of the Catholic Church who carried out great evil. These evils did not begin after the publication of Sacrosanctum Concilium or any other of the Council's documents. Nor did they begin with any subsequent changes made by the Church.
AND.... as always, you and TJM ignore the fact - the FACT - that the evils and problems that beset our Church are also found in other churches and faith traditions and civic organizations. Were the problems of Presbyterianism, the messes of Methodism, the dilemmas of the Disciples of Christ, the jams of the Jaycees, the struggles of Sertomans caused by Vat Two? OF course not. I have asked, rhetorically since no answer will be given, how the Second Vatican Council had such an impact outside the bounds of the Catholic Church.
Was the Church a city set on a hill when Catholics joined the Nazi party in exterminating Jews, intellectuals, Gays and Lesbians? Was it when Catholics sacked Constantinople? Was it when Catholics profited mightily from the slave trade? If you think it was, you have a very ill-formed understanding of history.
As for November 5th, unlike Trump and many of his allies after the 2020 count, I accept that he won the election. No massive fraud, no votes snuck into polling places after dark, no collusion with the long-deceased Hugo Chavez, a la the convicted felon Sydney Powell.
If you want to identify throwers of toys from prams, start with Powell, Giuliani, Burt Jones and Earl Carter of Georgia, to name a few.
Fr K - Lol. You routinely refer to Republicans, including President Trimp, when it is your Party promoting intrinsic evils. You are a true disciple of Alinsky. It is your Party that is a true danger to the Republic through “lawfare.” Of course you know more than Jonathon Turley. You also ignore the perverts in your Party, like the Kennedys, Clinton, Biden and his cocaine addled son. You are an embarrassment to our Church. You have the personality of Hillary Clinton!
Nick,
Epic take down of the Saul Alinsky priest, who engages in projection, accusing others of what his intrinsically evil Party is up to. He has the intellectual prowess of Joe Biden and the charm of Hillary Clinton.
Merry Christmas!
Father McDonald, a sad story on the Washington DC Archdiocese. It shows dumb and evil is no way to go through life:
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2024/12/two-years-after-restricting-traditional.html#more
Perhaps a little expanding of moral imagination might be in order. If all you have is a hammer (our moral degradation is caused by Vatican II and abortion), then everything looks like a nail (Mangione committed murder because of Vatican II and abortion). I don’t discount they MIGHT have been one factor, but there should be more in our reasoning toolbox than just this, as Father Kavanaugh rightly suggests.
As for Trump, what TJM calls lawfare, others call legal accountability and bringing to justice. But, of course, Trump escapes accountability yet again—for the umpteenth time in his sullied career. While I am not at all happy about Biden’s pardoning of Hunter, I understand it—if Trump can escape accountability so readily, then why not?
Still, at the end of the day, the rule of law and a truly independent judiciary is all we have to protect us from the authoritarians of all stripes. Let’s hope we are up to the task in the n=months and years ahead.
Mark J.
Fr. MJK,
As always, you ignore every single question whose answer could pose a problem for the narrative you’ve chosen to live by.
You—as always—ignore the FACT, the FACT, that the Church isn’t just some damn social club. As if She was just every other group and institution. You also offer no explanation why some religious groups thrive in places where Catholicism stagnates, declines, or outright collapses. If nothing else, your litany of failing churches demonstrates the folly of “listening to the world,” as some say Vatican II tells us to, rather than leading the world. Let alone the insistence that the Rotaries have declining membership, too! demonstrates how little we’ve been taught to think of God’s promises to the Church.
As always, when the principles and the facts turn against you, you pound the table. Maybe you’ve learned from Rudy Giuliani than you think. Would that the clergy regulated themselves as much as lawyers do!
As always, you elide institution and individual, as if they were equivalent. Sinners will always sin; I suppose by your chosen narrative, there is nothing the Church could have done, can do, or ever will be able to do about that. After all, the Church’s current woes certainly have no effect on the world’s. Lord, I’m glad I don’t think that! I would’ve abandoned the Faith long ago.
Nick
In any event, I’ve discussed statistics and sociological studies on this topic here before. I have negative interest in re-hashing that topic, so I’ll wish everyone a happy Gaudete and say sayonara.
Nick
Mark,
LOL. Hunter Biden escaped accountability. Do you have the same legal skills as Jonathan Turley? Don' think so.
I doubt you read this, because it goes against "The Narrative"
President Trump wins again.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/12/14/new-abc-news-apolgizes-to-trump-pays-massive-settlement-in-defamation-suit-n2183225
Mark,
Instead of reading the New York Times, you should look to other sources for real news instead of lefty talking points:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/dockworkers-union-vp-meets-president-trump-its-rare/
This is for the Lefties who post here:
It's interesting that we continue to see the mental breakdown of the radical American left on a daily basis on our
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timelines and nobody in the establishment media has done a report on a need to do something about the surge in left-wing "hate speech."
Despite the uptick in violent language and radical activists committing acts of political violence — including two assassination attempts on a former president and the execution of a healthcare CEO, complete with a "manifesto" about why he did it — neither the FBI nor the DHS have issued warnings about the rise of "far-left extremism" in the United States.
The SPLC has not remarked on any of these clear "hate speech" incidents or the acts of political violence. The establishment media is silent. The FBI and the DHS have nothing to say about it.
No wonder media trust is at an all-time low and millions of Americans believe the U.S. government has been "weaponized."
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