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Mass begins with Archbishop Samplws being visibly vested with buskins. I always have contended that Vatican II's DESIRE FOR NOBLE SIMPLICITY, I.E., less fussiness, referred to this form of the Mass!
I doubt any living lay person, including me, have watched live an Archbishop being vested for a Pontifical Mass.Unlike the previous Mass here, yhere is no grand procession with Cappa magna .
Too bad, I love the magna cappa! Some might say “noble simplicity” is akin to Calvinism, strip, strip, strip away all beauty
Beautiful! It’s to bad they didn’t move that credence table out the way, it blocks the high altar.
In 2008 I was in Westminster Cathedral to hear Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos celebrate a Pontifical High Mass. He entered in cappa magna and was vested at the throne.In a Pontifical Low Mass the bishop enters in choir dress and is vested in the sanctuary. Recently I have attended two such Masses, one celebrated by Cardinal Burke, the other by Archbishop Longley of Birmingham.There must be quite a few lay people over the age of 75 who will have witnessed such ceremonies as adults.'Noble simplicity' is a purely subjective concept. A PHM may look 'fussy' to those unfamiliar with it, but if everybody knows his role through frequent practice (which they would have had in a cathedral setting) it flows smoothly and effortlessly. In Westminster Cathedral at Christmas all three Masses would have been Pontifical, the Archbishop taking the Midnight Mass, with the dawn and day Masses celebrated by the two auxiliary bishops.But that was before the Council and the subsequent dumbing down (sorry, noble simplicity).
“I have always contended that Vatican II’s DESIRE FOR NOBLE SIMPLICITY . . . “ Accounts of the discussions at Vaican II indicate absolutely no such concern with the Pontifical Mass, nothing of the sort expressed by anyone.Instead, the “noble simplicity” language was inserted in the drafting committee of “experts” as a loophole through to later drive the stripping of the liturgy from the ceremonial that embodied its mystery and sacrality. And, ultimately, Catholic faithful and worship of their distinctive Catholic identity.
John Nolan,I would imagine in the “progressives view” noble simplicity would consist of:Sanctuary filled with concelebrants, eucharistic ministers, lay lectors, with servers and liturgical dancers tossed inDozens of burlap bannersFolk group or mariachi band off to the side of the leader of songYes, noble simplicity!
TJMAh, but that is the only way to achieve the other goal of the reform, viz. 'active participation'. Ideally everyone should be in the sanctuary doing something, leaving no-one in the pews to be a dumb spectator.Get with the programme! We have to sing a NuChurch into being!
John Nolan,LOL. Do you think the mega masses of John Paul II's pontificate which were orchestrated and choreographed by old Marini qualify as "noble" simplicity?The true beauty and simplicity of the EF is that once the priest enters the sanctuary, the entire service is on autopilot, no need for carnival barkers telling us when to sing, stand, kneel, etc. I always found that strange that we needed all this stage direction for a Liturgy in the vernacular.
The vesting of the archbishop reminded me how a relative handful of liturgical activists in the years following Vatican II were able to gain ascendance over two thousand bishops of a billion-member Church and strip its liturgy of so much of its faith-sustaining effect. Rather than immediately proposing big abrupt and jarring changes in the liturgy, they focused on little incremental steps, each seemingly innocuous in itself, that did the job gradually--like gradually turning up the heat on the lobster in the water—so that the old liturgy had gradually disappeared even before the Novus Ordo was promulgated in 1969.A key but seemingly innocuous little step was the elimination of the obligatory vestments and vesting prayers of the priest preparing for Mass. The priest saying these vesting prayers is continually reminded of his role in offering the Holy Sacrifice to God; no way can he lapse into thinking he’s merely getting ready to serve a Happy Meal to a bunch of nice folks gathered together for good Christian fellowship.So I wonder whether the present liturgical apostasy could have metastasized throughout the clergy if the obligatory vesting prayers been retained and their spirituality emphasized. Such a little thing, but so vital to the priest’s perception of his role in persona Christi?
Henry,I have fond memories of the priest saying the vesting prayers. Fortunately I served Mass before it was destroyed by left-wing loons.
So, every priest who does not recite the vesting prayers thinks he's preparing to serve a Happy Meal? That's amazing! Would you like fries with that?I wonder, what part of your faith is sustained ("...strip its liturgy of so much of its faith-sustaining effect.") by seeing a deacon attach a buskin to a bishop's leg?
Anonymous Kavanaugh,LOL - you'll never change. You are just like the French aristocrats that couldn't see the problem right up until the time they were forced into the tumbrel on the way to an appointment with the guillotine!
It seems that a certain commentator has donned his troll hat again ...
Well, what faith button is being pushed and sustained by buskins?
Anonymous Kavanaugh, well, what faith button is being pushed and sustained by cheap burlap chasubles?
Bee here:Anonymous said at April 29, 2018 at 9:22 PM asked: Well, what faith button is being pushed and sustained by buskins?Wouldn't that be the symbolism they represent associated with the prayer that is taken from Ephesians and the Psalms, "Shod my feet, Lord, unto the preparation of the gospel of peace, and protect me under the cover of thy wings." (Ephesians VI, XV and Psalm LX, V)?The action and prayer does more for my faith than a hearty, "Good morning, everybody..." But maybe that's just me...God bless.Bee
"It seems that a certain commentator has donned his troll hat again ..."Well, at least he exemplifies the virtue of perfect consistency. Never asks a sensible question. Nor gives a sensible answer. Never shows any understanding of whatever point's at hand.
Bee,Bravo! Kavanaugh is now missing in action. You have shamed him (well maybe, since liberals are impervious to shame).
Will we see bishops donning breastplates with twelve jewels and sewing bells and pomegranates to the hem of their tunics any time soon?
Kavanaugh,Maybe, but why don't you refute Bee?
TJM - Ah, so you admit that Bee's point can be refuted! That's a step in the right direction.
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