Press anything below to bring you to the BBC page with the video which will make you squirm as your blood boil! Welcome to the 1970's with a 21st Century Twist and welcome to Fr. Hans Kung's Church!
Is this the future model for Catholic churches?
In Madrid's Chueca neighbourhood, the Baroque church of San Anton church looks like many other traditional Catholic chapels in the area.
But in an effort to make the church more inclusive, San Anton opens 24 hours a day, has free wifi and even a confession app.
Not everyone is happy with the changes.
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As the Church continues to become completely submerged in culture.
So then Fr, what is your take on all this? Are you advocating this and telling us to get with the program, or that this is utterly stupid and a poor application of Francis' teachings?
I am saying it is worn out stupid 1970's idiocy with some 21st century decor. Look at the man, priest?, promoting it and this says it all. And this kind of thing is quite common in Euope under the 2 previous pope's, so don't blame Francis!
SEE " LIVING OUT "BLESSED ANNA CATHARINE'S VISIONS " QUITE RELATED REGARDING LARGE CHURCH.
Correct, not only is this happening under Francis but it happened under JP II and Benedict, the blame lies with all of them, when will we get a pope who will put an end to all of this madness, reinstate the Traditional Latin Mass?? The answer is it ain't gonna happen why? Because they all want to be liked and are cowards, yes I said it so be it. The Church is a joke and the joke is on us, you can say well, Vatican II was not interpeted correctly just how long can you all keep telling this lame excuse, I guess for a long long time. The Church prior to Vatican II was against the world now it is part of the world, how far we have come. Flee to the S.S.P.X. the F.S.S.P. and The Institute of Christ the King and wait this post-Vatican II nightmare to end, maybe not in our lifetime but it will end.
Church open 24 hours a day (presumably with an attendant on duty) = good. As for the other crap, I agree with the woman who described it all as a sacrilege. Turning the Lord's temple into a marketplace didn't sit well with the Lord when He encountered the moneychangers, etc. (Mt. 21:12-13).
Another sad attempt at making the Church "relevant" through entertainment of one kind or another. One wonders if they've considered trying joyful orthodoxy (solid catechesis), beautiful liturgy, perpetual adoration and good old fashioned legwork by visiting with people to invite them to Mass? The whole enterprise smacks of commodified religion.
I like it. But why stream sermons of Pope Francis? He's not the bishop of Madrid, last time I checked.
I do worry about letting in cats and dogs. One or the other, fine. But put 'em together and the fur's a gonna fly.
I don't understand the woman who insists that 'dogs don't worship God.' Maybe if we stopped excluding them and made them feel welcome, they would.
Finally-Hans Kung? Where's the connection? I don't agree with everything Fr Kung has said, but some things make sense. Like saying that Archbp Lefebvre ought to be able to say the Tridentine Mass if he wants to. (Yes, he said that.)
Tony V, Hans Kung said that because he is an indifferentist. He doesn't care if Archbp Lefebvre calls in a jug band to sing Camp Towne Races.
I LOVE IT. Remember? Jesus was born...where...?
Klyde Katholic...being his racist self....
Jesus was born in a stable, ergo our churches ought to be actual functioning stables for animals and hold no more than a dozen people, right GOB?
Now, let's think real hard a bit.... what is a church building for?
What happens in side this building on a regular occasion? For how many people of all ages and conditions?
Suddenly the flippant "hey, lets make an ugly, ill appointed space" idea gets show stupid quick.
As someone who has lived in Madrid, please note that this parish is located in Chueca--Madrid's GAY neighborhood.
Peace,
Raymond
Gob is sort of like a slinky...not much use for anything, but still fun to watch fall down the stairs.
I agree with anonymous above. It is time to flee. Catholic blogs today are calling on faithful cardinals to walk out of the synod. Hunker down behind the walls of your traditional parish (although I am not a supporter of the SSPX)and pass the faith on to your children so they can pass it on after the Norsemen have passed.
Good old Jusad....I can always count on you. The point is that Jesus is not as prissy as you are. He too "smelled like the sheep".
Gob, "jug band" isn't racist. FWIW, Clyde whacked me for suggesting the use of electronic devices in Mass almost three years ago. I still think it is a good idea. I like my iPieta app almost as much as my banking apps.
rcg....you obviously don't know "De Camptown Races". :
"Gwine to run all night, Gwine to run all day". Stephen Foster at his racist best....worst...
Gob, Jesus was speaking figuratively when he referred to himself as the good shepherd - he didn't really smell of sheep-shit. Because of ritual requirements, observant Jews in Our Lord's day did quite a lot of washing; nowadays we wash our hands before eating, but they did this both before and after.
On the subject of dogs, some years ago I was at the London Oratory when a middle-aged foreign lady in the seat next to mine said 'Can you look after my little dog while I go to Communion?' and handed me her bag with the said pooch inside, its head sticking out of the top. It was clearly a devout animal, since up until then I hadn't noticed it.
In 2008 Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos visited London and celebrated a Pontifical High Mass at the Throne in Westminster Cathedral. The cathedral was packed, and among those standing at the back was a man with a small dog on a lead. At the Elevation the dog, hitherto silent, let out a bark. Some of those around glared their disapproval, but the following week a Catholic Herald journalist suggested that the dog was understandably expressing his joy at seeing Tradition restored.
'You are indeed Holy, O Lord, and all you have created rightly gives you praise'. Yes, I know it's EP III, but it's derived from an ancient prayer.
I'll speak slowly and not use big words, John. I also was speaking figuratively. I did not mention Jesus as the good shepherd...although Pope Francis did speak (figuratively) of himself that way. Do you believe or do you not believe the Nativity story about Jesus being born in a stable. I'm pretty sure there was sheep, and other varieties of shit there.
Gob, there was nothing racist about the Camptown Races post. It is just a song. I could have suggested Old Black Joe, Dixie, or Cotton Eyed Joe instead or, for you, maybe Sunshine Superman.
Gob, I believe your brain could survive without oxygen.
RCG, Gob's brain clearly has been surviving with a reduced blood supply for some time...
Steven Foster's songs crossed the Atlantic in the 19th century and became deservedly popular in England, to the extent that they are regarded as traditional over here.
A joke in a University RagMag not long ago. An old lady approaches a black man standing at a bus stop.
'Do the downtown buses run all day?'
'Dooh dah, Dooh dah!'
It's mildly funny. Yet the high priests of political correctness would get their knickers in a twist and demand that the perpetrators be locked up. The whole human condition, its racial and national stereotypes, its illogicality, its sheer cussedness, is redeemed by its ability to laugh at itself. We're all in this together. Hilaire Belloc, a proper Catholic, wanted laughter and good red wine - after God was worshipped in the liturgy in a fitting manner.
Good news for all. The stereotypes are being rehabilitated in a positive way using the music genre of Stephen Foster. The Carolina Chocolate Drops are an all black band, currently on hiatus, that have revived the music playing it in the entertaining manner and dress of neveo string bands of the past. They are superbly talented and each are gracious and incredibly intelligent and sophisticated. The hillbilly version of this music is also surging and has similar white artists performing it. It speaks to the human condition which to the distress of some folks includes race, ethnic traits, gender traits, and moral successes and failures. That is the source of much of its appeal.
What do you say to a banjo player in a three piece suit? "Will the defendant please rise".
Then, there are the southern, white, rural songs I grew up with, like Ida Redd:
"Daddy's makin' moonshine quick as he can.
Momma's in the bed with a hog-eyed man,
A hog-eyed man, a hog-eyed man,
Momma's in the bed with a hog-eyed man."
Momma's in the whorehouse, daddy's in jail,
Preacher drinkin' 'shine from an old milk pail..." etc, etc.
Jesus is not as prissy as I am? Prove it.
I say Jesus Our Lord is no more and no less prissy than I.
You see, I know Jesus Christ pretty well gob, and last time I checked, Our Lord willed to be worshipped with dignity and decorum not for his sake but for ours. Not for his honor but for our humility and the awe and devotion this awe creates in the children.
In none of the approved apparitions, in none of the saints, seers and mystics do we get an image of a hippy, iconoclastic, socialist gay Jesus. Not one.
Not one approved Marian apparition said "ah gee, just put up a plain old shack". Not in Lourdes or Guadalupe or Pompei or Orupa or Fatima....
None of the great saints and mystics who had intimate encounters with the Risen Lord and angelic beings, concluded that what people needed was a watered down ritual or bland church.
Since a few of the comments here have referred to shepherds and animals...
Here is a link to a story in the life of St Anthony, in which a heretic was converted after witnessing a starved animal kneeling before the Eucharist rather than go for the food which was put out for it.
St Anthony_The _Holy Eucharist_and_the_Beast_of_ Burden
Ida Red was one of the first tunes I learned on the fiddle. It's got a terrific driving rhythm. My family made whiskey until prohibition legal and otherwise, for over two hundred years in the same farm until this day. The women were too mean to make money any other way.
Thank you all for your kindness and good will....
Hey, Gob, it is the least we can do.
George
There's also the story about St Anthony's sermon to the fishes, well-known thanks to Mahler's song from 'Des Knaben Wunderhorn' - 'Des Antonius von Padua Fischpredigt'. The saint, finding only a sparse congregation in church, proceeds to the river bank and addresses his preaching to the fish, who turn up in great numbers, listen to him open-mouthed (as fishes do) and as soon as the sermon is over, revert to their old ways.
I feed the fish around my dock. There is one very large, wise-looking catfish that always comes up to greet me with a smile on his face. I believe he has had some kind of beatific vision.
Kindness and goodwill gob? Like that you share with us perhaps?
How about actually addressing points we make with, you know, actually rebuttals rather than snarky ad hominems?
1) show me where any of my responses were 'unkind'
2) show me where any of my responses show a lack of 'good will'.
This is SO typical of folk who emote rather than think.
It's "the tone" they don't like. See, if it's "the tone" then they don't need to proffer or defend an actual opinion either way. They can just posture as offended victims....all while dropping ad hominems at folk rather than engaging actual, meaningful "dialogue".
But see, what about your "tone" with me, gob? Is being kind and of goodwill a one-way street? I owe you what, exactly that you don't owe me? I pay you the compliment of proposing actual arguments for my position. In reply I get snark.
I think I shall cease my trolling for a bit...take a respite. I fear Jusad is near apoplexy....
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