Monday, September 22, 2014

RUMOR HAS IT...

...BUT CAN RUMORS AND BLOGS, ANY BLOG, THIS BLOG OR THAT BLOG BE TRUSTED?
An unconfirmed rumor or malicious lie has it that Msgr. Guido Marini will be the new  Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of Sacraments? According to a high-ranking prelate there are no doubts about it: he has been chosen for the position, only the official announcement is needed.
Archbishop Elect Marini, a young man by anyone's standards, is the Master of Pontifical Liturgical Ceremonies for Popes Benedict XVI and Francis. It is well known that Pope Francis likes Msgr. Marini and embraces his liturgical vision. The Holy Father is quoted as saying that the Church needs young liturgical blood more in keeping with moving forward liturgically with actually implementing Vatican II's Sacrosanctum Concilium compared to what has happened in the last 40 years. He offered the revised Roman Missal of the Anglican Ordinariate as a step in that direction and that the entire Roman Rite needs to be modeled on the Anglican Ordinariate's Order of Mass and various options.
At his appointment, Msgr. Marini will be elevated to the order of Archbishop so the rumor or malicious lie goes.  

He or someone else would replace Cardinal Antonio CaƱizares Llovera who was named Archbishop of Valencia this past August 28.

...But of course there's always Archbishop Piero Marini whom the sources for the rumor may have missed the first name. Stay tuned... 

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

My money's on Guido Sarducci.

Fr. Anthony Forte said...

Il Timone has it as Archbishop Piero Marini.

MR said...

Oh please let it be GUIDO Marini, that would be wonderful!

Who am I to judge?! said...

This excited me for a minute ... until I saw that all the sites mentioning Marini for CDW today named Piero, not Guido. That's true of Rorate and of the following website (which looks like the source of the rumour):

http://www.katholisches.info/2014/09/22/stimmen-verdichten-sich-piero-marini-neuer-praefekt-der-gottesdienstkongregation/

This surely can't be happening. No wonder Guido looked so shocked at the Albanian Vespers yesterday.

Anonymous said...

And yes, I'm upset because it IS Piero, not Guido. God help us.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone explain to us the difference between Piero and Guido in terms of impact for the rest of the Church?

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

That's a good question. I'm not sure what impact the Congregation for Divine Worship has except when it issues some kind of declaration.

In terms of papal liturgies, I don't know that there is much interfacing as the Master of Ceremonies and his committee take care of that not the CDW.

So I think it is better that Guido Marini remain where he is as he has more influence on the liturgy worldwide with papal liturgies than any prefect for the CDW including the one that was named to go to Spain.

Joe Potillor said...

Piero Marini was a disciple of Annible Bugnini...enough said...and was responsible for the hideous vestment disasters during the JPII Pontificate and the early half of Benedict XVI's reign

Guido Marini a disciple of Cardinal Siri. Cardinal Siri was known for his love of the Church and respect for the Traditions of the Church....

So, the potential impact could be a return of the that's so 80's Liturgies under Piero Marini...vs a more Benedictine style under Guido Marini



Who am I to judge?! said...

Some other websites are already responding to this 'news' with the hysteria that they brought to Cardinal Burke's still not confirmed 'demotion'. I'm not a fan of Piero Marini, but to describe him as an 'enemy of the Faith' as one blog does is way over the top.

One thing in Sandro Magister's article from last week seemed to ring true to me: that after the impending curial reorganization, there will plenty of spare curial cardinals and archbishops to fill any vacancies that remain, making it unlikely that either Young Marini or Controversial Marini will get the CDW post.

MR said...

@ who am I to judge,
Very good point about the extra curial Cardinals, I hope you're right.

Gene said...

I think the choice speaks volumes…but, no one is listening. Too many people on this blog trip over themselves trying to defend the Pope and his words, actions, choices, etc. This is exactly why the Church is in the sorry state it is in…and, I think the hand writing is spray painted on the wall in Da Glo Orange regarding what is to come.

Knowles Shaw said...

’Tis the hand of God on the wall!
’Tis the hand of God on the wall!
Shall the record be “Found wanting!”
Or shall it be “Found trusting!”
While that hand is writing on the wall?

Anonymous said...

Guido SARDUCCI....

Anonymous said...

Guys it's PIERO MARINI not Guido Marini as we all prayed it would be. Back are the rainbow vestments dancing girls, altar girls, pop music. God help our Holy Roman Church it's back to the disaster time.

MR said...

The only bright side I can see to the inevitable Piero Marini appointment is that at least the Pope waiting a year and a half before appointing him, rather than doing it right away.

Ceile De said...

The revolution against Popes Benedict and John Paul II is almost conplete. The wolves wander free now.

Ceile De said...

It seens logical to conclude that His Holiness views the resurgence of orthodoxy and respect for traditional liturgy encouraged by Pope Emeritus Benedict and who attractive to young seninarians as the biggest threat to the church today. One may agree or disagree (I disagree) but, if logic and reason still have any place in the Church (something that is very unclear since February 2013 for the first time since the foundation of the Church), it is hard to avoid concluding that such is Pope Francis's conclusion. Otherwise, why the coup d'etat last year?

Gene said...

RE: Rainbow vestments, dancing girls, pop music…yeah, and probably soon rubber machines in unisex bathrooms, Bruce and Horace (recently married) bringing the gifts at Mass, and the koran processing down the aisle behind the Gospel.

JusadBellum said...

So there are two wings. The traditionalists for whom dogma and doctrine are fixed realities, the 'deposit of faith' that may grow certainly, but not change into meaning the opposite of what they once were understood to mean....and the Progressive/modernist wing who believes that "the times" (i.e. other people) decide what is proper or not, and hence as "the times change" (i.e. other, non-Catholics ruling society) so too does moral truth.

Thus the Modernist will say that perhaps for some cultures in some time, it was proper to believe in miracles but now "science" declares them impossible so we must reinterpret the bible to be metaphorical, not literal. Or that perhaps once marriage was forever and heterosexual but now it's OK to be entirely of uncertain duration and defined by each individuals' good feelings.

Of the two, one side is worried about not losing the essence, while for the other, change is itself the essence. (at least until some habit becomes the new unquestionable dogma).

Both can be surprised by events though. When Peter decided all food was clean: based on a vision, or that gentiles could be baptized based on angelic intervention these changes were revolutionary but not entirely unexpected. The implicit was made explicit, as the circumstance of the purpose of the Law had been fulfilled in Christ, the means by which God taught a given virtue (self-control) was allowed to fade away....

Our challenge is always to see what is worth defending and what is worth letting go.