Notice the reasons why people stop going to Mass. It is all about a loss of Catholic Faith. Those who stay want the Faith to change and transform them. Those who leave want to change the Faith!
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Thursday, September 25, 2014
PLEASE NOTE HOW FIDELITY TO THE CATHOLIC DEPOSIT OF FAITH KEEPS PEOPLE FAITHFUL
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This survey hands Bishop Paprocki an absolute Godsend of a "teachable moment".
He needs to utilize all modern means of communication and media to acknowledge the results, highlight the differences in the statements of the "two camps", and begin a charitable campaign of both fraternal correction, and energetic "remedial catechesis"!
These poor souls who say things like, "the Church doesn't want either of us" or "I feel like I'm being judged", need to be reached and enlightened! They've been so brainwashed by the secular culture as what the Church is and what Her purpose is.
Modern high-tech media presents an excellent tool. Bishop Paprocki MUST take advantage of it NOW, before even more souls slip away into the cultural and spiritual abyss.
Gaudete in Domino Semper! - September 25, 2014 at 12:51 PM
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It's an excellent survey. A better one would be to run an experiment with those who demand the Church change to 'get with the times'.
1) Would you fundamentally change your beliefs to attract friends?
i.e. if you are a Democrat or Republican, would you switch sides in order to attract a neighbor to your next house party?
Most people would not change party affiliation to be more acceptable to strangers. But to demand the Church change to cater to them.... then they're suddenly "faithful" and demand to be counted as having an opinion that matters?
It's like a tax cheat who no only doesn't pay a dime to local, state, or federal taxes, nor votes but actively scams the system demanding to be treated as a great citizen.
We are either disciples of Jesus as Lord or we're only here for the coffee and donuts or social benefits.
But regardless of what we think, the fact remains that we're on a battlefield between Heaven and Hell, and the world, flesh, and devil seek to destroy us in this life and the next while God seeks to restore us to life in Him in this life and the next.
The greatest "spiritual awakenings" and reformations have come not from watering the Church's doctrine down but by highlighting eternal truths and calling for heroes and saints to rise up.
And rise they will, either as white martyrs or red martyrs. It's entirely our choice as to how the American saga will unfold; we can become disciples in peace time or under the duress of full, open, bloody persecution.
It can, and will happen here, unless we chose to conform ourselves to the Word rather than the World. - September 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM
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Some of the most faithful and active parishes are the TLM based sspius and sspeter communities.
RCIA and NO Sunday Schools, with some exceions I am sure, fail to impart a Catholic identity. Heck, many of the clergy lack serious Catholic identities.
We are living in a culture in transition. However, we lack the necessary spiritual resources to offer Catholic values in the public square. These resources were squandered at Vatican 2 and in the post council period. Immoderate and confusing messaging about what it means to be Catholic still continue unabated. Do not expect much improvement until Rome and local efforts to preach a clear message is once again realized.
The Roman Empire with its Arian Catholic culture died. Athanasius and Clovis working together saved Catholicism as they were the only non-Arians left who truly cared Catholic faith and values at the time.
It will be so again. Pope Benedict XVI said that the Church will be smaller in the future but it will survive. I believe people are not yet willing to listen to his teachings in a serious way.
The Catholic Church needs to become more self referential because Jesus Christ was too. It is the narrow road but the only one leading to where we all want to go. - September 25, 2014 at 1:32 PM
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(Published under Anonymous because OpenID gave an error).
Bee said:
I have always thought that at one point or another, in all of our lives, the Church's doctrine is going to conflict with what we want to believe and what we want to do. And at that point, that critical juncture, the rubber will meet the road, and we will either change ourselves to conform to God, or break with God because we can't stand the tension the choice forces upon us. St. Thomas More is a perfect example of this, and shows even if it means losing everything, even our lives, we must, we must, choose God's way. Even if our child is gay. Even if the parish is "cold." Even if we think the "underlying message is guilt and fear..."
Honestly, living our Faith is like Jesus telling you to step out of the boat, and inviting you to walk on water. When you read the Gospels, and see how many people just walked away from Him after being inspired by Him, is it any surprise we still see it happening?
"Will you leave me too?" "Where would we go, Lord? You have the words of eternal life." So be it. - September 25, 2014 at 5:07 PM
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Speaking of fidelity to the Catholic deposit of faith:
"Spanish bishop: Pope says he will not change Communion rule"
http://www.ewtnnews.co.uk/catholic-news/World.php?id=10812 - September 25, 2014 at 5:19 PM
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I read the reasons of those who left, and common to all of them seems to be: lack of catechesis.
Not wanted? Where is that in doctrine?
The Church doesn't adapt to the times? Why should it embrace corruption and perversion, and adapt its message to those aberrations? - September 27, 2014 at 6:24 PM
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JusadBellum is proving to be a very fine addition to the group of regular contributors here.
- September 28, 2014 at 8:02 AM
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Richard M. Sawicki
You are right. There needs to be a follow-up (or follow-ups) to this. The major reasons given why some Roman Catholics stop going to church, i.e.: disagreement with church doctrine on birth control, women as priests, homosexuality; a view that there are too many scandals in the church; a feeling parishioners are being judged by the church or are not welcomed, are the same(or similar) responses that such a survey would produce in any parish across the country.Among these will be those "Non serviam" whose opinions will be difficult, if not impossible to change. The parish would I think, have more success reaching those who feel they are not welcome or feel disgust and disenchantment because of all the scandals. There will be those who will continue to separate themselves from the flock on being told the Church cannot change its magisterial teaching.
The prayers of faithful Catholics for these fallen-aways can also be of great assistance
- September 28, 2014 at 2:06 PM
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Father, at my former parish there is a situation that is currently all over our local news stations and is also trending on some other local stations across the country. It is a prime example, to go along with the examples given here, of how avoiding certain teachings of the Church will cause great damage to the Church and her members. I have written before about my former parish and this is the culmination of much of that.
The story in short: The gay music/Liturgical director is asked to resign by our archbishop who has been the target of local media for almost 2 years for supporting the marriage amendment in this state. He is asked to resign after he “marries” his same-sex partner. Since the parish is a cult of the priest and now it seems, cult of the music director, a good amount of the parish members are crushed and can’t understand how this could happen. They say ignorant things like; "We just have to figure out how we can be more loving toward each other in all of our diversity", and, “it’s sad and it kind of angers me that he can’t be here for the reason that he married his partner”, and, "I'm disappointed that somebody's out there that says somebody is not good enough,".
The music director sent this message to the parish; "I know the vast majority of people at St. Victoria live lives that are truly examples of the way Christ would live; free of judgment, filled with love." The priest said; "Yet, it also speaks to the gap between understanding how to be faithful to church teaching and yet remain true to one's self as we stand before God. Neither is easy. Perhaps ultimately it's about contrasting visions of what it means to be church".
I am angry because the priest and deacon there did nothing to address this in the 18 years the music director was there. They not only failed to help this man and the rest of the parish understand what the Church teaches on this issue but they talked behind the scenes about how the Church is wrong on this. Now as a result of one man’s sin and the failures of his priest we have chaos in a local church. I still belong to a men’s prayer group there and their very families are being fractured by this. We have been together for over 10 years and have discussed this issue and they are well educated on it but their families are not. It has the potential to destroy marriages. They are asking me “what should I do?”
So I ask you Father, what should they say, what should they do? Here is an example:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/28/st-victoria-church-pastor-speaks-out-on-music-directors-resignation/
Vianney1100
- September 28, 2014 at 10:29 PM
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Father, at my former parish there is a situation that is currently all over our local news stations and is also trending on some other local stations across the country. It is a prime example, to go along with the examples given here, of how avoiding certain teachings of the Church will cause great damage to the Church and her members. I have written before about my former parish and this is the culmination of much of that.
The story in short: The gay music/Liturgical director is asked to resign by our archbishop who has been the target of local media for almost 2 years for supporting the marriage amendment in this state. He is asked to resign after he “marries” his same-sex partner. Since the parish is a cult of the priest and now it seems, cult of the music director, a good amount of the parish members are crushed and can’t understand how this could happen. They say ignorant things like; "We just have to figure out how we can be more loving toward each other in all of our diversity", and, “it’s sad and it kind of angers me that he can’t be here for the reason that he married his partner”, and, "I'm disappointed that somebody's out there that says somebody is not good enough,".
The music director sent this message to the parish; "I know the vast majority of people at St. Victoria live lives that are truly examples of the way Christ would live; free of judgment, filled with love." The priest said; "Yet, it also speaks to the gap between understanding how to be faithful to church teaching and yet remain true to one's self as we stand before God. Neither is easy. Perhaps ultimately it's about contrasting visions of what it means to be church".
I am angry because the priest and deacon there did nothing to address this in the 18 years the music director was there. They not only failed to help this man and the rest of the parish understand what the Church teaches on this issue but they talked behind the scenes about how the Church is wrong on this. Now as a result of one man’s sin and the failures of his priest we have chaos in a local church. I still belong to a men’s prayer group there and their very families are being fractured by this. We have been together for over 10 years and have discussed this issue and they are well educated on it but their families are not. It has the potential to destroy marriages. They are asking me “what should I do?”
So I ask you Father, what should they say, what should they do? Here is an example:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/28/st-victoria-church-pastor-speaks-out-on-music-directors-resignation/
Vianney1100
- September 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM