Mark J indicated that his pastor posted a link to the video below in the parish bulletin saying it indicated what Pope Leo XIV is saying and doing.
The only problem is that what is being said is not anything Pope Leo has said or taught. This video is not an AI dubbing of Pope Leo’s actual sounding voice, but what sounds like an Englishman interpreting what Pope Leo is saying in Italian. The Mass that is shown where Pope Leo is preaching, is a recent Marian Mass and it certainly isn’t the homily that Pope Leo gave at that Mass.
I can’t figure out the ideology of this video. It seems to be a combination of Francis’ ideologues and what they want Leo to say and do and Benedict XVI ideologues and what they want Pope Leo to say and do.
The worst kind of fraud, though, is when AI is used and the manipulated actual voice of Pope Leo (or anyone) is used.
How are we Catholics going to be able to know what is real and what is fake. And in the political realm, this could lead to death and destruction depending on what the manipulated voice is saying.
Thank God that the video/homily is fake because it is very narcissistic and self-referential of Pope Leo if true. He would need serious therapy!
What do you think? At any rate, it is very dishonest to say the least.
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"How are we Catholics going to be able to know what is real and what is fake."
With Pope Leo and the Vatican, at least, by referring to what is published by reliable Vatican publications/websites, put on the Vatican.va site as the text of homilies/speeches/writings, and the like. And conversely, by cross-fact-checking whatever pops up on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. with those sources and other reliable publications.
Nick
Pope Leo is registered as a Republican in Illinois which certainly points to his integrity!
Nick,
Of course you are correct. And indeed, whenever I have any reason to be suspicious about a report or a video, I always fact check it, as you probably know from my previous posts over the years. However, when the information comes from a trusted source, i.e., an insert in a weekly bulletin coupled with an announcement about the insert from the pastor, who doubtless also got it from a trusted source within the Church, my defenses are down. As I said on the earlier thread, it is very sad that someone would play these sorts of games.
I don’t yet know whether my pastor has been told the video is a fake. If not, I will certainly bring it to his attention at Mass this weekend (as I suspect he will himself also bring it to the attention of his own trusted source) and we will all have to be on our guard in the future.
Mark J.
TJM:
Back to fact checking again, Pope Leo does not appear to be a registered Republican. For one thing, it seems that Illinois does not have party registration. Here is a CBS report on his voting record, which is mixed. He has indeed voted in Republican primaries, for example, but then so have I (I voted for Marco Rubio to stop Trump the first time because he had the best chance of defeating Trump in Georgia):
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pope-leo-robert-prevost-voting-records-republican-democratic-primaries/
Mark J
Mark J,
I voted in Illinois for over 30 years before fleeing the corrupt and failing run State.
In common parlance, we use the term "registered" even though that merely means in a primary, you have to declare your Party, which you do in Illinois.
Please note, as a good, practicing Catholic, Pope Leo, did not choose to vote as a Democrat, a party which becomes more depraved by the day.
Cheers!
TJM,
I think you are incorrect to infer that Pope Leo necessarily supports the Republican Party, or at least the MAGA Republican Party, for three reasons. First, while he has voted in Republican primaries, we don’t know his motivations. The following links suggest the system in Illinois is one of open primaries as in Georgia:
https://www.vercounty.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/party-affiliation-infographic.pdf
https://pro.stateaffairs.com/ga/elections/georgia-open-primary-state-voting-elections-np
Second, according to the CBS report I included in my earlier link, Pope Leo has in fact voted in Democratic primaries (although not as often as in Republican primaries), and again we don’t know his motivations.
Third, we do not know how he voted in the general elections.
As the CBS report explains:
“He voted in the Republican primaries in 2012, 2014 & 2016, including the presidential primaries in 2012 and 2016.
L2 Data records show he last voted in a Democratic primary in 2010. He had also voted in the party's presidential primary in 2008.
He has voted in at least nine general elections, including in five presidential election cycles: 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2024. There's no record of him voting in the 2016 or 2020 general election.”
If I had to guess, and it would be purely an educated guess, I would say that he leans Republican but not MAGA and that, like many of us, he voted for Obama in 2008 as being the more "conservative" candidate in the circumstances prevailing at that time (Iraq War, financial crash). I would further surmise that he might have voted for Romney in 2012, sat out the 2016 general election because neither candidate was palatable, and however he voted in 2024 it wasn’t for Trump and J.D. Vance whom he has roundly criticized for his views on immigration. I believe his history of postings on X provides some support for these speculations:
https://apnews.com/article/pope-leo-twitter-x-trump-vance-criticism-9c311123985ebce282877071f75b6d80
Mark J.
P.S. He probably sat out the 2020 general election for similar reasons as in 2016.
Mark J,
His Holiness may have sat out the 2020 election because he was bishop of
Chiclayo from 2015-2024. I suspect he has some MAGA tendencies if statements by his brother provide any clues. The Pope's family was overwhelmingly working class; a group the Dem's have clearly abandoned. I suspect the Prevost household was fairly conservative. The Democratic Party has gotten even more extreme since the Obama presidency (to call him "conservative" is laughable on its face). Conservatives tend to be for small government and less federal interference in their daily lives. Obama was the Nanny State on steroids and enforced "liberal" (if you can call it that) orthodoxy with a vengeance. Only a person living in the cocoon of the New York Times and the alphabet networks world would believe what you are suggesting.
The Dems support:
1 - Infanticide
2- Child mutilation under the guise of gender transition without parental consent (although you need parental consent to have your ears pierced)
3- Defending illegal aliens which even a majority of Dems do not support, even going so far as to try and keep illegal aliens who have been convicted of murder and rape in the US. Some unhinged, leftwing Dem appointed judges want then back on the streets.
4) Providing taxpayer funds to support illegal aliens (name a country that does that other than the US)
5) Stripping parents of their rights over their children's education which backfired big-time in Virginia where Republican was elected in protest over that insanity.
6) Recently electing a known Communist to be their mayoral candidate in NYC who wants to bring the Intifada here, and the list goes on. The Democratic Party is not the party of the little guy anymore but the party of leftwing billionaires, illegal aliens and the vast majority of Hollywood and academics who are untethered from reality.
As a postscript, your native England could use a bit of MAGA as it continues to circle the drain, supporting illegals over its own citizens and harassing its citizens who dare speak "truth to power!"
TJM:
It is futile to discuss with you about any political matters.
You mention Pope Leo’s brother but provide no further information or citation.
You ignore what Pope Leo has posted on Twitter (now X), even though I provided the link.
You trot out a litany of complaints against the current Democratic Party and mention things Obama did during his presidency while ignoring the context of the 2008 election, which is the relevant point in time (Iraq War; financial crisis). You also ignore that during his presidency, and certainly during his first term, he was disliked by immigrant advocates and called the Deporter-in-Chief.
I could go on, but what’s the point. Only a rabid MAGA operative would believe what you are suggesting.
Mark J.
P.S. Yes, there are significant problems in England. But we already had our own version of MAGA. It was called Brexit, now known as Regrexit (as most Brits now wish we had never left). But, as so many over here are misled by the lies of the opportunist Trump, so many over there were misled by the lies of the opportunist Johnson and his fellow travelers. At least Johnson got his comeuppance for lying to Parliament. I hope Trump gets his too before it is too late and we descend further into the immoral morass of chaos, lies, grifting, and the continuing dismantling of democracy.
Here is the polling on Brexit:
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52410-nine-years-after-the-eu-referendum-where-does-public-opinion-stand-on-brexit
Mark J.
Mark J,
And pointing out the obvious to you when all you can do is bob and weave and deflect is amusing. England still is getting any better by the way.
Here is something you should ponder and you try and go to sleep tonight. This situation sadly has occurred and the blame falls squarely not only on the Democratic Party but the loonier elements in the American hierarchy who "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil."
"An illegal alien is accused of murdering a 15-year-old boy in Morehead, Kentucky, after the teen tried to protect his mother from being raped, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) reveals."
More Trumpian projection, TJM. None can surpass you, Trump, and MAGA in bobbing, weaving, and deflecting.
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