Press title for Pillar’s article:
Vatican spokesman: ‘Traditionis custodes’ leak ‘very partial’
“It’s a contribution to a very partial and incomplete reconstruction of the decision-making process.”
At a July 3 Vatican press conference, Archbishop Vittorio Francesco Viola, the secretary of the Dicastery for Divine Worship, was asked to comment on a document published July 1, which was reported to be an excerpt from the Vatican’s 2021 assessment of a global survey of bishops on the use of preconciliar liturgical rubrics.
When the question was raised, Matteo Bruni, the director of the Holy See press office, intervened, objecting that the press conference was dedicated to the presentation of the new formulary of the Mass for the Care of Creation, which will be added to the Masses for Various Needs and Occasions in the Roman Missal.
Bruni said subsequently that he wasn’t “confirming the authenticity of the texts that have been published.”
But he immediately added that “it is presumably part of one of the documents on which the decision [to publish Traditionis custodes] was based, and it’s a contribution to a very partial and incomplete reconstruction of the decision-making process.”
10 comments:
Japanese World War II-era aircraft carriers had better damage control!
Nick
Seriously! His response almost bolsters the credibility of the leak.
Diane Montagna floated the Traditionis-Custodes-is-based-upon-lies fake news story in 2021 A.D. That story was just one among the many fake news, "smoking gun" claims concocted to defame Pope Francis (requiescat in pace).
As Mark J had recommended in a different thread, let us act prudentially...wait to hear from Rome.
As we have heard from Rome today, the following is clear: The unwinding of the current version of the Pope-Francis-lied fake news story has begun.
Another "smoking gun" fake news story concocted to defame Pope Francis has gone up in smoke.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT Suit,
You really need professional help. Your fetish with that mean, old man is concerning.
There's something really wrong there. From bizarre lashings-out (mixed with mostly glutinous eulogizing), to weird tics that make it sound like the pope is to Catholics what Mohammad is to Muslims, to demanding unconditional obedience to the pope, to never answering a direct question with a plain answer (so much for letting your yes be yes).
People claim Francis "broke the brains" of some trads, but I honestly think he also "broke the brains" of people who, for some reason, now can't acknowledge the Catholic position that yes, popes can do wrong.
Nick
TJM:
And you don’t have a fetish with Pope Francis? Let us call it Francis Derangement Syndrome. -:)
Mark J.
Hardly, I am not a pope worshipper, and because of my knowledge of the Faith and the Church's history, I have a better perspective than MT Suit. They are men, and sometimes we get an extremely flawed one Francis, a nasty, mean-spirited piece of work. Just read some of Father McDonald's comments on Francis. Does he have FDS like liberals who suffer from TDS?
TJM:
I suspect that a comparison of the critical comments of Pope Francis made by Father McDonald and the critical comments made by certain followers of this Blog, including yourself, would reveal some significant contrasts on the continuum of vituperation. To take an example on this very thread, has Father McDonald ever described Pope Francis as “a nasty mean-spirited piece of work” or used similar language? Perhaps he has. If so, please remind us where he has done so.
Mark J.
Mark J,
Here is a direct quote from Father McDonald about Pope "Merciful!'" Doe he have PFS?
Thus when Pope Francis became pope, my Italian relatives loved his vulgar Italian. By that I mean, his street Italian. And he was funny too, when you heard him speak his street Italian. He had an Italian sense of humor. One of my Italian relatives, who I visited in Livorno in 2013 told me that Pope Francis was a regular person that she would feel comfortable inviting into her home for dinner.
In Livorno, the term vulgar Italian means someone who is not very refined and does not have great manners in speech. They’re regular people.
But soon, that wore thin. More and more Pope Francis focused on the negative in the Church in his view. He called nuns “pickled pepper faces”. He told the Roman Curia they all had spiritual Alzheimer’s disease, and that was the nicest thing he said to them over the years.
He called young priests and seminarians little monsters who loved wearing their grandmother’s lace.
He called rad trads, clergy or laity, rigid with serious underlying mental illnesses.
He called those with homosexual tendencies, fags and faggotry. That’s about as street speaking as you can get. He did it more than once too.
Pope Francis was very negative and everyone, except his circle of friends, feared with great anxiety any off-the-cuff remarks he would make that called into question orthodox Catholic teachings, especially interviews he gave which were very frequent and always caused an uproar in some parts of the Church.
TJM:
I will concede, with all due respect to Father McDonald, that he is not always sufficiently careful in his depictions of Pope Francis. For example, I don’t think Pope Francis actually called young priests and seminarians “little monsters” but rather that, without proper formation, there was a risk of creating little monsters. Similarly, I believe that Pope Francis later apologized for his use of the “faggot” terms in describing gay priests in a closed meeting and may not have even realized its meaning in Italian, of which he was not a native speaker. You can research all this for yourself.
But I still maintain there is a significant difference between such depictions, however lacking in complete accuracy and context they might be, and expressions such as “a nasty, mean-spirited piece of work.” Perhaps Father McDonald will choose to comment on this matter himself.
On a related point, you are extremely disrespectful not only about Pope Francis but about Mark Thomas. So, let me ask, if Mark Thomas is “MT Suit,” why aren’t you “TJM Suit” for your unqualified defense, and absolute refusal to entertain ANY criticism, of someone far more flawed and corrupt than Pope Francis—Donald J. Trump? Looks like a classic case of projection to me.
Mark J.
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