I don’t think it is from the Ordinariate’s Divine Worship, the Missal, so where in the name of God did he get this photo and from what Missal???? Do you see what I see that I haven’t seen in any Ordinary Form Missal I use????????
Rocco’s tweet and photo:
With much of US braced for sizable protests and unrest upon a verdict in Chauvin murder trial, lest it’s useful over the coming days, the Collects of the Mass for Peace & Justice – already being used today across ground zero (ie. Twin Cities arch.) as jury deliberations begin:
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Well, Rocco's clock is premanently stuck at 1972, so, perhaps an older missal, or one of the super progressive older compendium/condensate "liturgy of the hours" publications still very much in use in northern dioceses of east coast and upper midwest.
That might be from a booklet made available for the faithful, such as Magnificat. I could see that organization providing the Latin antiphon.
I think Father Fox is right. That has a Magnificat look about it, which as Rocco knows, is used in every diocese for worship services. I have seen it used thusly in some areas NE and upper midwest. No missals. Magnificat.
It's from Scepter Publication's Daily Roman Missal. It also has all of the ordinary parts of what we now call the Ordinary Form in Latin (except for the Prefaces), including all four Eucharistic Prayers.
Surprised nobody on this site is familiar with it. It's been a popular item for over a decade, and I see laity using it at mass all the time.
Not I said the little fake name. I have a 1962 and St Joseph, and had a subscription for a brief while to Magnificat, which that page very much resembles in print and opaqueness.
It says “ONE God forever and ever” - which I assume, you now consider as a liturgical abuse.
One thing I learned in life, Good Cardinal, assume nothing.
As an instructor once told me in the Army, using chalk and chalkboard with slashes, "Private, when you ASSUME something, you make an A** out of U and ME."
Robert Card Kavanaugh,
Knock it off
"The Magnificat" should be in every pew in every diocese.
William, to what purpose Magnificat in pews? The missal and hymnal are what is needed for organized worship, and for private devotions there are many far better sources.
I have attended several churches where they were bought for congregations and handed out, or placed on a table free for the taking, and whether them or disposable missals, considered them actually corrosive to the faith, in being disposable prayers and scriptures for a throw-away culture, and who has not felt a twinge of guilt in pitching them in the trash, a warning sign something is off for all concerned?
Past that is the content, and I say this as a former subscriber of earlier times, which content is generally rather light fluff compared to the riches which are out there. And they are anything BUT cheap, but not made or designed around, or to, lasting.
And then there also have been some public bonehead stances taken by the producers.
Nah, would far rather my personal funds, to include those going to the parish, be spent on worthier readings. Of course, they never are, as these are easy to get without much thought, which is a big part of the problem.
I don't know about the printed version, but the online edition of Magnificat does not have an "Imprimatur" from a bishop, "Nihil Obstat" from a censor, "Imprimi Potest" from a provincial superior because it's the work of a member of a religious order, or a "Concordat Cum Originali" that it is in accordance with the original approved source books. I thought these were all required by Canon Law????
Fake name,
What is wrong with the word 'ass' that requires the last two letters to be asterisked out? Is calling someone an ass disrespectful to donkeys?
Only when it refers to the ass’s an**!
Devotional texts do not require ecclesiastical approval, even if they are going to be used in churches.
Books of Scripture (Can. 825 §1. Books of the sacred scriptures cannot be published unless the Apostolic See or the conference of bishops has approved them. For the publication of their translations into the vernacular, it is also required that they be approved by the same authority and provided with necessary and sufficient annotations.) may be published without approval if the texts/translations being used in the books have previously been approved.
Liturgical (ritual books, not those used by the people in the pews) books must have ecclesiastical approval. Books printed that contain previously approved texts do not require approval.
More here: https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2019/01/03/when-does-a-catholic-book-need-an-imprimatur/
Anonymous at April 23, 2021 at 11:12 AM:
I’m not sure I agree with your statement, “Liturgical (ritual books, not those used by the people in the pews) books must have ecclesiastical approval. Books printed that contain previously approved texts do not require approval.”
The Guidelines for the Publication of Liturgical Books adopted by the U.S. Bishops’ Conference include: “The Committee on Divine Worship, therefore, has the responsibility of regulating pastoral-liturgical actions under the authority of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. This includes the supervision of the publication of approved liturgical books, participation aids, and those prayerbooks which contain liturgical materials.”
You said, “...not those used by the people in the pews...” Would not “participation aids, and those prayerbooks which contain liturgical materials” come into this category? I noticed the OCP pew missal contains a “Condordat cum originali” by a bishop in the front of the booklet, for example.
You can check for yourself at https://www.usccb.org/committees/divine-worship/policies/guidelines-for-the-publication-of-liturgical-books
The regulation cited doesn't mention granting an imprimatur or the other notes of mentioned above.
My understanding is that the USCCB does not, in any case, grant these. Diocesan bishops, not the Conference, do
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