Which is more extreme, Alabama's wonderful new restrictions on abortion to include incest and rape, or New York's diabolical allowance of abortion through the 9th month and the murder of a live baby in a botched abortion????????????????
fake catholics will side with New York. Strange as they claim to be adherents of the "science party" but ignore that viability begins earlier and earlier these days.
That question is, of course, a rhetorical question. Proud of GA and AL for leading the charge against NY’s heinous new law. Now, months (years?) of court action ahead...
From a political standpoint, both are outside the political mainstream. In fact, some Republicans have suggested that the New York "anything goes" laws on abortion could be a "wedge issue" to use against the Democrats (heck, even most pro-choice voters say there has to be a line somewhere). But now the Democrats can counter, "Well look at Alabama, no exceptions for rape and incest, and more time in jail for an abortionist than a rapist." So voters "in-between" on the issue say "both sides are at the political margins" on this.
There is the expectation that the Georgia legislation will cost Republicans some legislative seats in metro Atlanta next year (the metro Atlanta that gave far-left Stacey Abrams a 14-point margin over Kemp last year and which gave Clinton an 8-point win over Trump). And if the Legislature flips to Democratic control by middle of next decade, Georgia's current 20-week ban will seem conservative compared with what would likely come with Democratic control---no limits at all and public funding of the procedure.
Polling on abortion about 20 years ago had the state about evenly split, but much more liberal in metro Atlanta than elsewhere in the state. And we know which part of Georgia is growing faster......
Well, TJM, you can poke fun at Atlanta, but it is the economic engine of the state, without which, Georgia might be poorer than Mississippi. How do you think schools in the "God and country" parts of Georgia would be funded without the money folks in the "Democratic plantation" send down to Republican south Georgia? And in terms of educational levels, Georgia's 6th Congressional District (the northside suburbs of Atlanta) ranks among the top in the country in educational attainment, so yes, there are some real deep thinkers up here. But have hope---if in the next decade things get too liberal in Georgia, Alabama is not that far away! Maybe good ol Gene will join you.....
Well, New York city is one of the top Financial enters of the world, what with Wall Street and being the the home office to many banking and Investment firms. And of course, San Francisco has more billionaires per capita than just about anywhere. So what? You think that matters with God? And as far as the money the "Democratic plantation' sends down to Republican south Georgia, well how well would the Atlanta area and Georgia as a whole do without the billions of dollars the state's forestry and agricultural industries generates? And the billions every year the many large military installations(almost all in the southern part of the state) bring in? At least for right now, the Georgia legislature and Governor's office is still Republican controlled but unfortunately, we are headed in the direction of the more "enlightened" Northern states. The term "Dem Plantation's slaves" that TJM used is a term that someone came up to denote African-American voters who overwhelmingly vote for Democrat candidates. As far as the 6th, the most recent stats I saw had it as 15% African-American. As far as the best performing schools in Georgia, a while back I did some research and found that a lot of them are indeed in 6th, but they (especially in the grade schools) are predominately populated by Caucasian, Asian and Hispanic students. In 2016, President Trump carried it (although narrowly). Yes,the demographics and political trends are changing but that is not a good thing for Georgia.
Today I saw a news story on ABC about Alabama's restrictions on abortion. Then a few seconds later a news story of the miraculous and happy rescue of a toddler lost in the woods for four days. Strange how someone can cheer ending a life in utero, but cheer saving that same life a couple years later? Are journalists really that blind? Can they not see the dichotomy? Can they not at least start a conversation about it? Schizophrenic newsmedia sewing seeds of confusion.
Anonymous at 544, yes TJM likes to use the "Democratic plantation" mode, as if black voters are "forced" to vote Democratic. Well, as late as 1960, Nixon won about a third of the black vote nationwide...and then came 1964, when Goldwater campaigned against the Civil Rights Act (which is why Goldwater won the Deep South that year---no other explanation suffices). Since then, the black vote has been pretty much Democratic, though on occasion not so unanimously---in 1980, blacks helped Republican Mack Mattingly defeat Herman Talmadge here in Georgia (of segregationist days). But the 2018 race for governor in Georgia was much closer than the 2014 contest. In 2014, Deal ran a more middle of road campaign and won by 8 points; in 2018, Kemp ran hard right "good ol boy" and won by less than a point and a half. The black composition (of Georgia's electorate) was not much higher in 2018 and 2014, but a lot of whites in areas like the 6th CD ditched the GOP, tired of Trump's inflammatory rhetoric and Kemp's good ol boy theme, which largely ignored metro Atlanta---and cost the GOP a lot of legislative seats up here. And the 6th District backed Abrams over Kemp. Maybe voters sending a message?
Yes of course south Georgia contributes to the economy, but I doubt farms and trees bring in much property tax revenue---thus the big subsidies that go from North to South.
Does wealth matter to God? No..and that isn't the point here. The point here is that metro Atlanta will continue to grow as a percentage of the state's electorate, and if voters up here feel things are going too far in one direction (abortion will be a test of that next year), then GOP will face the consequences in a year and a half, and they may not be pretty. But then again, parties do overreach---Obama did so with health care in 2010, Bush with the Iraq war in 2006, Clinton with health care in 1994 and Nixon with Watergate in 1974. And it will be hard for GOP to accuse Democrats of overreach---as Democrats have done obviously with their radical policies in New York and Virginia---if Republicans go too far and too quickly the other way, and I think it is pretty clear that national Republicans don't want next year to be a referendum on Alabama...
Please explain this latest lunacy from YOUR party:
Banning abortion is “brutal”? What about abortion itself? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez argued early this morning that it’s an act of liberation against the “patriarchy” that underpins “right-wing ideology.”
Too bad AOC's mommy did subscribe to her daughter's "wisdom"
TJM, I do not know if your comment is aimed at 618, but if so, well, I am not a Democrat. I have never backed a Democrat for president as a matter of fact. The national Democratic party is far too liberal, and unfortunately too many Catholic politicians are part of that liberal scam---the question is whether the Georgia legislation goes too far politically and ends up electing far-left Democrats? You may be aware that Republicans lost 14 State House seats in metro Atlanta last November? Kemp campaigned on 15 weeks, not 6, which is why people were surprised by this legislation passing. We'll have to see whether it was politically and legally worth it...some say the Supreme Court does not like taking up testing cases that are deliberately passed to overturn precedent; ROE of course is bad precedent and should go, but the buzz is that the court is more likely to OK incremental restrictions (maybe like 16-18 weeks) that an overturn of ROE. We'll see...
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fake catholics will side with New York. Strange as they claim to be adherents of the "science party" but ignore that viability begins earlier and earlier these days.
That question is, of course, a rhetorical question. Proud of GA and AL for leading the charge against NY’s heinous new law. Now, months (years?) of court action ahead...
From a political standpoint, both are outside the political mainstream. In fact, some Republicans have suggested that the New York "anything goes" laws on abortion could be a "wedge issue" to use against the Democrats (heck, even most pro-choice voters say there has to be a line somewhere). But now the Democrats can counter, "Well look at Alabama, no exceptions for rape and incest, and more time in jail for an abortionist than a rapist." So voters "in-between" on the issue say "both sides are at the political margins" on this.
There is the expectation that the Georgia legislation will cost Republicans some legislative seats in metro Atlanta next year (the metro Atlanta that gave far-left Stacey Abrams a 14-point margin over Kemp last year and which gave Clinton an 8-point win over Trump). And if the Legislature flips to Democratic control by middle of next decade, Georgia's current 20-week ban will seem conservative compared with what would likely come with Democratic control---no limits at all and public funding of the procedure.
Polling on abortion about 20 years ago had the state about evenly split, but much more liberal in metro Atlanta than elsewhere in the state. And we know which part of Georgia is growing faster......
Atlanta is full of the Dem Plantation's slaves, real deep thinkers
Well, TJM, you can poke fun at Atlanta, but it is the economic engine of the state, without which, Georgia might be poorer than Mississippi. How do you think schools in the "God and country" parts of Georgia would be funded without the money folks in the "Democratic plantation" send down to Republican south Georgia? And in terms of educational levels, Georgia's 6th Congressional District (the northside suburbs of Atlanta) ranks among the top in the country in educational attainment, so yes, there are some real deep thinkers up here. But have hope---if in the next decade things get too liberal in Georgia, Alabama is not that far away! Maybe good ol Gene will join you.....
Well, New York city is one of the top Financial enters of the world, what with Wall Street and being the the home office to many banking and Investment firms. And of course, San Francisco has more billionaires per capita than just about anywhere. So what? You think that matters with God?
And as far as the money the "Democratic plantation' sends down to Republican south Georgia, well how well would the Atlanta area and Georgia as a whole do without the billions of dollars the state's forestry and agricultural industries generates? And the billions every year the many large military installations(almost all in the southern part of the state) bring in? At least for right now, the Georgia legislature and Governor's office is still Republican controlled but unfortunately, we are headed in the direction of the more "enlightened" Northern states.
The term "Dem Plantation's slaves" that TJM used is a term that someone came up to denote African-American voters who overwhelmingly vote for Democrat candidates. As far as the 6th, the most recent stats I saw had it as 15% African-American. As far as the best performing schools in Georgia, a while back I did some research and found that a lot of them are indeed in 6th, but they (especially in the grade schools) are predominately populated by Caucasian, Asian and Hispanic students. In 2016, President Trump carried it (although narrowly). Yes,the demographics and political trends are changing but that is not a good thing for Georgia.
Today I saw a news story on ABC about Alabama's restrictions on abortion.
Then a few seconds later a news story of the miraculous and happy rescue of a toddler lost in the woods for four days.
Strange how someone can cheer ending a life in utero, but cheer saving that same life a couple years later? Are journalists really that blind? Can they not see the dichotomy? Can they not at least start a conversation about it?
Schizophrenic newsmedia sewing seeds of confusion.
Sheila
Anonymous at 544, yes TJM likes to use the "Democratic plantation" mode, as if black voters are "forced" to vote Democratic. Well, as late as 1960, Nixon won about a third of the black vote nationwide...and then came 1964, when Goldwater campaigned against the Civil Rights Act (which is why Goldwater won the Deep South that year---no other explanation suffices). Since then, the black vote has been pretty much Democratic, though on occasion not so unanimously---in 1980, blacks helped Republican Mack Mattingly defeat Herman Talmadge here in Georgia (of segregationist days). But the 2018 race for governor in Georgia was much closer than the 2014 contest. In 2014, Deal ran a more middle of road campaign and won by 8 points; in 2018, Kemp ran hard right "good ol boy" and won by less than a point and a half. The black composition (of Georgia's electorate) was not much higher in 2018 and 2014, but a lot of whites in areas like the 6th CD ditched the GOP, tired of Trump's inflammatory rhetoric and Kemp's good ol boy theme, which largely
ignored metro Atlanta---and cost the GOP a lot of legislative seats up here. And the 6th District backed Abrams over Kemp. Maybe voters sending a message?
Yes of course south Georgia contributes to the economy, but I doubt farms and trees bring in much property tax revenue---thus the big subsidies that go from North to South.
Does wealth matter to God? No..and that isn't the point here. The point here is that metro Atlanta will continue to grow as a percentage of the state's electorate, and if voters up here feel things are going too far in one direction (abortion will be a test of that next year), then GOP will face the consequences in a year and a half, and they may not be pretty. But then again, parties do overreach---Obama did so with health care in 2010, Bush with the Iraq war in 2006, Clinton with health care in 1994 and Nixon with Watergate in 1974. And it will be hard for GOP to accuse Democrats of overreach---as Democrats have done obviously with their radical policies in New York and Virginia---if Republicans go too far and too quickly the other way, and I think it is pretty clear that national Republicans don't want next year to be a referendum on Alabama...
Anonymous,
Please explain this latest lunacy from YOUR party:
Banning abortion is “brutal”? What about abortion itself? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez argued early this morning that it’s an act of liberation against the “patriarchy” that underpins “right-wing ideology.”
Too bad AOC's mommy did subscribe to her daughter's "wisdom"
Anonymous,
I'd rather be poor than vote for the Infanticide Party, the party of the spiritually impoverished
Sadly, Blacks vote overwhelmingly for Blacks, disclosing their inherent racism. Whites don't do that. If they did, Obama would never been elected.
TJM, I do not know if your comment is aimed at 618, but if so, well, I am not a Democrat. I have never backed a Democrat for president as a matter of fact. The national Democratic party is far too liberal, and unfortunately too many Catholic politicians are part of that liberal scam---the question is whether the Georgia legislation goes too far politically and ends up electing far-left Democrats? You may be aware that Republicans lost 14 State House seats in metro Atlanta last November? Kemp campaigned on 15 weeks, not 6, which is why people were surprised by this legislation passing. We'll have to see whether it was politically and legally worth it...some say the Supreme Court does not like taking up testing cases that are deliberately passed to overturn precedent; ROE of course is bad precedent and should go, but the buzz is that the court is more likely to OK incremental restrictions (maybe like 16-18 weeks) that an overturn of ROE. We'll see...
You know, whites vote overwhelmingly for whites, disclosing their . . . well, you know.
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