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Friday, December 20, 2024

THE MUST READ DOCUMENT THAT ALL THE CARDINALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE READING AS I TYPE THIS!


Two prominent conservative journalists are getting kudos from all the cardinals of the Church as they voraciously consume what Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register and Diana Montagna of the Catholic Herald collaborated to produce. 

I had dinner with one of the cardinals from the peripheries in Pakistan. He told me that the cardinals do not know each other as Pope Francis has not facilitated meetings where they could gather and chat and create friendships and connections. Thus other means are now being utilized for the cardinals to get to know each other especially in light of the approaching conclave to elect the new pope.

Here it is, the "College of Cardinals Report," Press the title for the most read collaboration!

IMPOSING POST VATICAN II LITURGICAL GUIDELINES IN THE MOST PRE-VATICAN II AUTHORITARIAN WAY…

Communion Time Hospitality:

Communion Time Inhospitality:

I think even progressive Catholics who like liturgical creativity and discontinuity will agree that under Pope Benedict and Summorum Pontificum, the liturgy wars had a negotiated end. There was peace at last, thank God Almighty, there was peace at last.

While the TLM flourished among a small minority of Catholics, mostly young, non-nostalgic Catholics, who simply saw the old Mass as “new and improved” to them, many parishes started to implement certain liturgical postures from the TLM into the Modern Mass, such as more Latin, kneeling for Holy Communion and ad orientem.

Parishes with multiple Masses made sure that at least one Mass was either ad orientem or facing the nave.

Cardinal Cupich has (along with Pope Francis, by the way) in the most ugly way, with pre-Vatican II authoritarianism, reignited the liturgical wars’ anger that traditional/orthodox Catholics have toward popes, bishops and priests in the Church that impose a rigid uniformity upon them during the Mass, often outside the traditional, organic development of liturgical guidelines. 

I can remember in the 1970’s, bishops and priests removing kneelers from church pews because some liturgists thought it denigrated the laity to kneel during Mass when the priest was standing—there should be a common posture for all “celebrants” meaning laity and clergy and that posture is standing. The same for Holy Communion’s reception. The priest historically stood to consummate the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Jesus at his Holy Communion, why shouldn’t the laity!

The problem with Communion time in 2024 is that many young people and some older ones want to kneel to receive Holy Communion in continuity with what the Church has approved over the centuries and during the papacies of John Paul II and Benedict XVI! 

Yet the clericalism of some bishops and priests have either forced them to stand or no kneeler is provided for the person to comfortably and safely kneel, thus they drop to the hard floor on both knees without a support to kneel or stand again!

THAT IS CALLED INHOSPITALITY!

PROVIDE A GOSH DARN KNEELER FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KNEEL AND THERE WON’T BE ANY ACCIDENTS, ESPECIALLY BY THE PERSON BEHIND THE ONE KNEELING. TRIPPING WILL BE REDUCED!

PROVIDING A KNEELER FOR KNEELING AT HOLY COMMUNION IS ABOUT GENEROUS HOSPITALITY!!


Thursday, December 19, 2024

A GREAT RESTORATION AND THE PROPER WAY TO DO AWAY WITH DOUBLE ALTARS PLACED BACK-TO-BACK

Before and After: St. Mary's Catholic Church in Aspen, Colorado

 I like the restoration, although my personal taste is not to have things too busy and eye-dizzying. But apart from that, this is a good job.

Especially wonderful is the way they got rid of the old free standing altar and have one altar unified with its backdrop, reredos. As you will note, Mass can be celebrated ad orientem or facing the nave. No need for double altars that clutter the Sunday Mass sanctuary! Well done!

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AFTER:




BOMBSHELL: INDIAN CARDINAL BANS ALTAR GIRLS BUT WAS IT A SYNODAL DECISION?

 

The poor non-synodal cardinal thinks that altar boys are the way to recruit future priests and girls can’t become priests in a non-synodal church! And so pre-Vatican II!

FROM CRUX:

ROME – Nearly two months after it was written, a letter has been published by Sri Lankan Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith of Colombo banning girls from serving as altar servers in his archdiocese, on grounds that it is a pathway to the priesthood.

In an Oct. 22, 2024, letter to the priests of his diocese, Ranjith said, “It has been brought to my knowledge that several parishes in the Archdiocese of Colombo have appointed girls as altar servers.”

“In this context, I wish to reiterate, what I stated at the presbyteral meeting held on Oct. 21, 2024, that no girls should be invited to serve at the altar, as altar servers in the archdiocese,” he said.

Ranjith insisted that “it should always be young boys” who take on the role of altar server, “because this is one of the main sources of vocations to the priesthood in Sri Lanka and it will affect the number of candidates entering the seminaries, which risk we cannot take.”

READ IT THERE

Wednesday, December 18, 2024

CARDINAL CUPICH'S BACKWARD DIRECTION TO THE 1970'S AND GASLIGHTING TRADITIONAL CATHOLICS OVER SO-CALLED LITURGICAL RENEWAL

 
You know you are being gaslighted when you are being told that everything you believed as a Catholic prior to Vatican II was wrong and that you are the problem for not accepting everything that the discontinuity implementation of Vatican II has wrought as being good. 

In the 1970's and well into the 1980's, for a Catholic to call another Catholic pre-Vatican II, was the greatest insult that could be hurled! It was like the "n" word but acceptable in ecclesial circles of that time and in some places still today!

Liturgically, but also in other ways, Catholics were being gaslighted when they heard:

1. They were so pre-Vatican II if they liked Latin

2. They were so pre-Vatican II if they liked the Traditional Latin Mass

3. They were so pre-Vatican II if they liked to kneel to receive Holy Communion, on the tongue and from a priest

4. They were so pre-Vatican II if they would not chew the Host because our Lord is food that must be chewed!

There are others, of course, but if you preferred any of the four things I listed, you were marginalized, mocked and ridiculed by the clericalism of the clergy, religious and laity of that period. 

And now, the dying breed of 1970's Catholics, dinosaurs of this age, are longing for this 1970's liturgical gaslighting once again. They are nostalgic to say the least!

For anyone to receive Holy Communion by kneeling, they are drawing attention to themselves, disrupting the liturgical flow and unity of receiving Holy Communion. This is what Cardinal Cupich, with the utmost hubris, is promoting in the Year of our Lord 2024!!!!! Is he serious???,

If all the evidence points to the disaster that the "discontinuity" implementation of Vatican II has been for the Church over the past 60 years and you still have popes, bishops, priests, deacons, religious and laity saying it has been a grand success, despite the actual evidence that it hasn't been, you are being gaslighted by these clericalist, backwardist Catholics. 

They either believe what they are saying or prefer a different church than what Jesus' founded! And you are the problem if you don't go along with their proselytizing! 

The Deacon's Bench has a very insightful article on the silliness and hubris of Cardinal Cupich and his 1970's liturgical agenda:

When it comes to receiving Holy Communion, kneeling isn’t the problem

It's time to go backwards but not as far at the 1970's. We need to listen again to Pope Benedict's Christmas speech to the Curia about "Renewal in Continuity" not discontinuity. That is the common sense forward!

ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
TO THE ROMAN CURIA
OFFERING THEM HIS CHRISTMAS GREETINGS

Thursday, 22 December 2005


Monday, December 16, 2024

THE DRONES HAVE LANDED! THEY HAVE LANDED! THE DRONES ARE EATING PRIESTS AND BISHOPS! YES, THE DRONES ARE EATING PEOPLE!

 Finally evidence for the drones and how they eat people like priests It happened at Notre Dame! The Drones are here and they are eating people!




IF THERE WAS EVER A PHOTO THAT SCREAMED TO HEAVEN THAT THE FORMAL MINISTRIES OF LECTOR AND ACOLYTE SHOULD WEAR APPROPRIATE LITURGICAL VESTMENTS, PERHAPS THE ALB, AS A SIGN OF BAPTISM, THIS IS THAT PHOTO!

 Like Bishop Stowe, I have complained that there has been no move to formally install laity, male or female, trans or whatever, into the formal ministries of lector and acolyte. 

I believe that there should also be a doctrinal and liturgical formation program of at least a year to include spirituality and morality and coordinated through the Bishop’s various offices, not parish based.

But here is the photo that screams to heaven for liturgical garb!


Press title for N(NOT)CR article:

Bishop Stowe blesses 3 women in ceremony recognizing lay ministry roles

POPE FRANCIS HAS A ROSY DAY IN CORSICA

 Pope Francis made a brief visit to Corsica and had a rosy Mass on Gaudete Sunday there.

My Italian grandfather had his roots in Corsica. You can see Corsica from Livorno where my mother was born and spent the first part of her life. It is a brief boat ride there. Corsica is French but has an Italian culture. 

The rosy vestments, although humble, to symbolize this pope’s exceptional humility, which His Holiness wears proudly, are far superior to the over the top clown vestments acquired by Noter Dame!

Friday, December 13, 2024

THE STATE OF THE CHURCH AND WORLD SEEN THROUGH THE EYES OF LUIGI MANGIONE, FROM A STRONG BALTIMORE CATHOLIC FAMILY!

 Has dumbed down, sin enabling Catholicism, in the name of pastoral sensitivity, brought about its logical conclusion, the culture of death?

Vigilantly social justice has been around in the Church since about 1968. Think of priests and nuns breaking into military installations to dint military weapons in pursuit to a pacifistic   Catholicism and world order.

Civil disobedience, breaking, entering and damaging defensive and offensive weaponry happened quite frequently in my Diocese of Savannah by priests, religious and laity, especially in Columbus, GA and and nuclear submarine base at King's Bay on our coast. 

But worse yet, is the glorification of abortion by the Democrat Party with unbridled promotion of abortion, the murder of innocent unborn children in their mother's womb and calling it women's healthcare! 

Both President Joe Biden, a pious, liturgical Catholic, and his airhead Vice President, Kamala Harris, glory in abortion and promote the most vicious form of the culture of death that there is. They deserved the landslide loss in the last election which I think is  retribution from God almighty!

Promoting death as a solution to a problem, be it a unwanted or problematic pregnancy or a CEO that one decides is responsible for the state of health care in our country and denying people in need the care they need are closely linked. 

That is the tragedy of a Baltimore Catholic Italian American gone crazy with hate and misguided vigilantly social justice. His elite non sectarian private high school was next door to my seminary in Baltimore.
 
He fell for what he lamented in a X post in April as reported by the National (not) Catholic Reporter:
 
“Mangione's digital footprint across various social media platforms bears few clues as to a Catholic background or his religious views, except for an April 18 post on X where he shared an article bemoaning Christianity's decline in the West. "horror vacui (nature abhors a vacuum)," Mangione's X post said. "relevant read, 'Christianity's decline has unleashed terrible new gods.' "
 
 
May God have mercy on Mangione and all those who promote to culture of death for the terrible new gods that perverts human beings and makes them terrible self-made vigilantly sinners who kill to solve problems.
Family of alleged gunman in CEO murder has Italian Catholic roots in Baltimore

Monday, December 9, 2024

RANDOM PHOTOS FROM SUNDAY, DECEMBER 8’S IMMACULATE CONCEPTION SOLEMN SUNG MASS IN THE ANCIENT RITE

 Sacred Heart Church purchased new vestments for Marian Masses which were used for the first time at this Sunday Immcaulate Conception Mass which fulfilled the obligation to attend this Holy Day without having to go again on Monday the 9th. These vestments are far superior and more beautiful than those used for the Reconsecration of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris! 

The only fly in the ointment was that I forgot to bring my beretta from home, about 40 miles away and Sacred Heart didn’t have any extra ones. So the acting deacon and subdeacon couldn’t wear theirs which they brought. 

C’est la vie!


















Ohh MY! AND YES!

 First the Oh my!

And the YES!!!!

Everyone is talking about notre dame’s chasubles meanwhile the maronite patriarch had the best vestments/cope:



Sunday, December 8, 2024

REOPENING CEREMONIES, INCLUDING FIRST MASS, OF THE CATHEDRAL OF NOTRE DAME

 The vestment colors are bizarre to match the ew altar, ambo and cathedra. The Crozier has a blue light in the crook! What’s up with that???  What do they say in French about this?  This is what we say in France: “C'est la vie”!

Don’t press center arrow but bottom left “watch on YouTube “

LET ME ASK A QUESTION, IF THE VATICAN, WITH POPE FRANCIS PRESIDING, IS CELEBRATING THE SOLEMNITY OF THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION ON SUNDAY, DECEMBER 8TH, WHY DID NOT THE AMERICAN BISHOPS MANDATE THE SAME FOR THE USA OR INDIVIDUAL BISHOPS FOR THEIR DIOCESES?

 Today, December 8, is the Second Sunday of Advent, but also the Solemnity/Feast of the Immaculate Conception, who is also the Patroness of the USA.

In the USA, where she is the Patroness, her feast is transferred to Monday, December 9th but still as a Holy Day of Obligation.

However, Pope Francis, at the Vatican this Second Sunday of Advent, presided at a Modern Papal Mass celebrating our Lady of the Immaculate Conception!!!!!

Those who are attending Mass in the Ancient Rite, like me, will also celebrate the Feast the Immaculate Conception too. At Sacred Heart Church in Savannah, at 1 pm December 8th, I will be the celebrant for a Solemn Sung High Mass for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception and also commemorating the Second Sunday of Advent. 

This will be the first time since the Modern Rite was enforced on all parishes in the late 1960’s that a Solemn Sung form of the TLM (with deacon/subdeacon) is celebrated at Sacred Heart Church. 

Friday, December 6, 2024

SOLEMN SUNG HIGH MASS FOR THE FEAST OF THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION ON SUNDAY DECEMBER 8

Be there or be square! It fulfills the obligation to attend the Immaculate Conception Feast transferred to Monday for poor NO parish people. 

I have to go to Savannah’s Sacred Heart Church this Friday afternoon, December 6, the Feast of Saint Nicholas, to rehearse for Sunday’s TLM Solemn Sung Mass with deacon, subdeacon and MC. I am the celebrant.

This type of TLM is quite complicated. Its complexity, I humbly believe, is what historically attracted men to the priesthood as it is somewhat militaristic and highly choreographed. You have to know and understand what you are doing.

While some call it a military march or exercise, others rightly point out that the TLM Mass is a dance, THE DANCE, highly choreographed. 

We need to recover all the things that the TLM gets right and the NO gets wrong. The NO forgets that the Mass is the music of the Liturgy not added hymns or junky music. The NO forgets that the Mass is the Dance not added so-called “liturgical Dance.”

Here’s a great video to help in learning the choreography of the Solemn Sung TLM:

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMON SENSE ABOUT CARDINAL ROCHE AND YOUR CHRISTLIKE LOVE FOR THE YOUTH COMMITED TO CHRIST, WHO IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, THROUGH THE TLM AND SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM!

“Cardinal Mueller said that Cardinal Roche is worried about the Chartres Pilgrimage and its promotion of the TLM. He should be more worried about the 400K French Catholics who left the Church last year instead of the 25K faithful Catholics in France.”






Wednesday, December 4, 2024

EXCERPTS OF THE SOLEMN SUNG CHRISTMAS MASS IN 1948’S NOTRE DAME AND WHY POPE FRANCIS DID NOT FURTHER RESTRICT THIS AWE INSPIRING MASS…

 Please note how this form of the TLM has such close cultural connections, an ethos, with the Byzantine forms of the Liturgy!


There is a recent report as to why Pope Francis’ did not sign a document on his desk further restricting the TLM. It is because a Russian Orthodox friend of Robert Moynihan interceded on behalf of preserving the TLM. Moynihan arranged for this person to meet with the pope. He told Pope Francis that the TM has many things in common with the Byzantine Liturgy and many young people are attracted to this form of the Liturgy. 

It is clear by watching the 1948 Christmas Mass at Notre Dame the cultural connection and heritage that the TLM of the West has in common with the Byzantine Liturgies of the East going back to the 6th century if not before.

The Modern Mass is sterile and has more in common with the sterility of the iconoclasm of the liturgies of the Protestant Reformation especially in its puritanical forms.

Read more:

Speaking in a November 7 podcast, Robert Moynihan stated:

I’ve a friend who is Russian Orthodox, I introduced him to Pope Francis some years ago more than ten years ago. They exchanged numbers.

I’ve always told him that we are very desirous of keeping a space in the church … for the old liturgy, which was similar in many ways to the Byzantine liturgy. He has appreciated this because he too is [Russian] Orthodox.

I said “tell the Pope that when you’re communicating with him because there are rumors that he may want to actually abolish the old liturgy, in a way that Joseph Ratzinger suggested was not even possible to do.”

He said he communicated with the Pope this past summer and told him that there were so many good, young people in America and other countries who love the old liturgy and they didn’t love it as a kind of sign of their anger against him, but simply because they love Jesus. They wanted to draw close to Him and the liturgy did that. And it was very similar to the way that simple people in Russia drew to the liturgy in the 1600’s, when the Old Believers were condemned because they wanted to keep the same, old liturgy and not the reformed liturgy in the 1660’s in Russia.

So this Russian told the Pope these things and the Pope said to him “I’ve got the text on my desk. They’ve told me that I should sign, but since you’ve told me all this, I won’t sign.”

Tuesday, December 3, 2024

NOTRE DAME’S MAGNIFICENT HISTORIC ALTAR, MAGNIFICENTLY RESTORED FOR FUTURE USE!

 Here is a very clear picture of the historic high altar of Notre Dame. Why the new one could not have approximated this one is beyond my comprehension. But if you look closely, it appears to be freestanding.

Thus for liturgical butterflies who are phobic about ad orientem, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass could just as well be celebrated on this historic altar ad orientem or facing the nave. Why not use it? That is the question!


A permanent deacon in my diocese emailed me the following concerning who owns Notre Dame and thus who also had a say in its restoration including the ridiculous altar, ambo and cathedra:

Fr. Allan,

One thing that many folks forget regarding the rebirth of Notre Dame de Paris.
It is not the property of the Church!

Since the French Revolution ending in 1799, Notre Dame has belonged to the French State and the French Government had EVERYTHING to say about its reconstruction and refurbishment. 

 That's why Macron had so much to do and say about raising the funds and the disbursement thereof and in choosing style, materials, etc., of what went into the cathedral during reconstruction post fire.


Monday, December 2, 2024

A GREAT VIDEO, ESPECIALLY MY PART IN IT….

 Don’t press the center arrow but the “watch on YouTube” on the bottom left of the video. I don’t know why that is needed now!

Sunday, December 1, 2024

NOTRE DAME SEMINARY IN NEW ORLEANS RESTORED IMMACULATE CONCEPTION CHAPEL

The before photo isn’t bad. I’ve been in this chapel a few times and it is beautiful. The redecorated chapel designed and executed by Conrad Schmitt and Company is wonderful and not overdone as they sometimes have a tendency to do.

The new free standing altar is lovely, but what a shame that it is politically incorrect to have maintained the old high altar and use it ad orientem for the Modern Mass. A completely ridiculous happening in the post-Vatican II Church. 

While the new look is more ornate, it looks less cluttered than the old look and replacing the marble walls in the nave with wood helps tremendously. Removing the hanging lights helps too. As a disclaimer, I used Conrad Schmitt in renovating and redecorating the Church of the Most Holy Trinity in Augusta around 1997.

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DANGER! DANGER! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON!


Am I the only one who sees the danger in this new Notre Dame’s “ambo” more like black music stands used in a high school band class? 

Shall bets be made on who will be the first to fall off this precarious platform and injure or kill themselves. And what kind of settlement will they get from the Archdiocese of Paris when the victim hires Ken Nugent? One call, that’s all!



YES, BUT…

 I like the traditional altar arrangement mandated in the pre-Vatican II Roman Missal and its general instructions/rubrics.

But in the case of the pre-Vatican II High Altar of Notre Dame, the oversized candlesticks and very oversized tabernacle hide the central image and iconic Notre Dame. Smaller candlesticks and a lower tabernacle would have prevented this.

The completely restored Notre Dame, thanks be to God, saved and restored the high altar which is stunningly beautifully compared to the new one, described by some, as a cereal bowl. It is a joke compared to the high altar. 

I’m not sure when Notre Dame will be re-consecrated. I am sure the modern liturgy will be beautiful as well as the singing. I suspect too, that candlesticks will be returned to the high altar in some form as well as around the new cereal bowl altar. 

Saturday, November 30, 2024

STUNNING RESTORATION OF NOTRE DAME; NEW ALTAR AMBO AND CATHEDRA, NOT SO MUCH…

 Old high altar beautifully restored:


New altar is blah and out of place, but so was the old new altar, new ambo and cathedra non descript:






Monday, November 25, 2024

WHAT’S UP WITH THE VATICAN NEWS WEBSITE—ITS BEEN HACKED BY RUSSIANS?????


 Since early this morning and as I type this at 9:35 AM EST, I can’t access the Vatican News website.

Thank God for Silere non Possum website as they explain it with searing critical thinking:

This is a rough English translation, provided by the their site, of their Italian commentary:

Dicastery for communication: to cover up incompetence, Russian hackers are uncomfortable

For years Silere non possum has been collecting the complaints of clerics and lay people who realize, unlike someone in Santa Marta, that the work of Paolo Ruffini, Andrea Tornielli and Andrea Monda makes water on all sides. The religion professor in an article even wrote that Bethlehem was in Israel. The situation is really critical and in recent days the site of the Holy See (Vatican.va) remains inaccessible to millions of Catholics in the world who would like to consult the words of the Pontiff.

«There is still an abnormally high number of interactions with the .va domain. The countermeasures are still in progress and for this reason it could still be difficult to access," Matteo Bruni told journalists. What astonishment, a site that should be visited by millions of people is subject to heavy traffic. Once again it is confirmation that these people are not suitable for these roles. After all, what to expect from characters who spend their days "making tubs" for Borgo Pio with their cell phones in their ears and bringing subjects to lunch to interview, "cump" and "convince"? Did anyone really think they were capable of running a Dicastery with such a great responsibility? In the past, when management was quite different, these things didn't happen. Who knows why? This is the management, then on the lower floors there are those who don't even know how to layout a bulletin correctly. What do we expect? We only give them tens of thousands of euros a month, we won't expect them to work.

To cover the incompetence, therefore, we have now moved on to inconvenience the maximum systems. The site doesn't work? Ah, it's the Russian hackers. The all-rounder and conspiracy theogist Maria Antonietta Calabrò, another of those journalists who know everything and are only interested in power and secret services, makes a voice of swebies that are passed through the Way of Conciliation and accuses Russia of having attacked the Vatican sites. There are journalists, and also someone who is not but braints titles and acquaintances despite being taken by a pedal, who report the news without even verifying the reliability. If it were Russian hackers, however, the site would certainly not be "inaccessible" but at most they would write about everything above it.

This morning, precisely because hackers act in watertight compartments, even the propaganda situation (Vatican news) is inaccessible. Not many have noticed it because it is something that is not visited by anyone but still it is the object for which they have spent a lot of money and does not offer any serious service. At the same time it serves to make Tornielli and his pupils eat.

What can I say? Not only in this pontificate do we have documents that are not published and kept hidden (fortunately there are those who publish them here) but now it is impossible to access even the ordinary magisterium of which the Pope also talks so much this morning.

I THINK THAT EVEN MARTIN LUTHER WOULD BE SHOCKED AND APPALLED BY THIS RENOVATION!

St. Hedwig Cathedral, Berlin, Germany, before the wreckovation:

This is Saint Hedwig’s Cathedral in Berlin, Germany, newly remodeled by way of wreckovation:

How shall we describe it? Post Catholic? Neo-Protestant? Purely Puritanical? Presbyterian? Baptist? Iconoclastic? Sterile? An abomination?

What adjectives would you use?

Please note, not a statue in sight except for the corpus on the Processional Crucifix.

This is from the Facebook page where I found thee photos:

With a solemn service, the Saint Hedwig Cathedral in Berlin was reopened on today's Christ the King Festival after six years of extensive reconstruction and renovation work! ⛪️✨

Many thanks to Erzbistum Berlin for the impressive pictures and a moving opening! 🙏

👉 More info on reopening:

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#Berlin #SanktHedwig #Kathedrale #ErzbistumBerlin #Kirche #Wiedereröffnung








PLEASE NOTE THE POST CATHOLIC CHALICES OR ARE THEY CYLINDERS? IS ALL OF THIS A PERVERSE JOKE AND SACRILEGE AND THE HERSY OF ICONOCLASM?