tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8987873620426322871..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IT IS TRUE, PROGRESSIVES IN THE CHURCH ARE MORE AUTHORITARIAN THAN TRADITIONALISTS AND SINCE VATICAN II THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUEFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3784743182761283952015-07-20T14:15:35.576-04:002015-07-20T14:15:35.576-04:00I'm pretty confident I can grasp the feelings ...I'm pretty confident I can grasp the feelings of a gay man who seeks to find joy in sodomy with his boyfriend more than he can understand my feelings as a straight man whose profile is such that men like me are blamed for all the world's evils. <br /><br />As C.S. Lewis was wont to say, the saint understands evil more than the sinner who doesn't understand evil or goodness.... to know the German Army the best you turn to the ones who defeated them in battle, not the ones who surrendered at the first shot. <br /><br />Those of us who resist our dominant vices regularly and confess them when we fail know sin in general far more intimately than those who declare themselves to be entirely innocent of any sin whatsoever.<br /><br />I have both progressive and conservative friends and relatives. The more ideologically pure the progressives are (and thus the more they claim intellectual and moral superiority) the less capable of holding their own in an actual argument using syllogisms and point/counter-point before attempting to nuke the whole discussion via the ad hominem curse word/call you a nasty name card comes out. This, despite their claims to be standing on the untouchable high-ground. <br /><br />It would seem to me then that they are unfamiliar with and not used to having their truth claims questioned. Indeed they're largely unprepared to actually defend the dogmas they implicitly accept all while questioning our dogmas and lampooning the very idea of 'dogma'. The high emotion swiftly ends up in a place of threats to life and livelihood and a demand for some sort of governmental (i.e. legalized mob) action to silence dissent (all while decrying the Inquisition or Crusades of course). <br /><br />Person A: "As per the CDC, oral and anal sodomy are both unhealthy and, as a consequence of objectively being unhealthy, also immoral to freely choose. It would be better for a person to express their affective or erotic attraction in a safer fashion".<br /><br />Gay Person B: "ohmygod, you are such a Bible thumping judgmental H8ER! I FEEL your rejection of my true self is tantamount to violence and thus you are a bully to be scorned, fired from job and hounded into some closet somewhere!!!!" <br /><br />Objective 3rd party observer will note: Person A was not emotional, committed no act of physical or verbal violence and didn't invoke the Bible. He merely spoke something that was disagreeable to Person B. Not liking what you hear is not the same thing as being assaulted physically. To not know the difference is to show an inability to think clearly and thus to give positive evidence of a mental disorder.<br /><br />Time and time again those who preen and pride themselves with being "progressive" will claim the intellectual and moral high ground in any given topic. To disagree with their assessment about reality in the blandest of tones and terms, is an intolerable act they react to with great emotion and anger.... no matter the topic. <br /><br />Thus, some non-Progressive knows them better than they know themselves and knows oneself which is beyond their comprehension being that they're wrapped up in non-factual ideology, fantasy, and their subjective feelings. <br /><br />It could be about gay marriage or the minimum wage. About increasing illegal immigration or more affirmative action. Pick the controversy and invariably the person claiming to be "progressive" will ultimately become emotionally unglued, attack their opponent in emotion-laden language, and call for some sort of punishment meted out against their person and livelihood for daring to disagree.<br /><br />Because they are just not used to be disagreed with. It thus strikes me that their elders didn't disagree with them much but probably just rolled over and let them seize the socio-cultural positions of power.Jusadbellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80116739083739456002015-07-18T20:33:14.804-04:002015-07-18T20:33:14.804-04:00Typo alert – Humanae vitae of course.Typo alert – Humanae vitae of course.Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41888442496907072792015-07-18T16:43:38.841-04:002015-07-18T16:43:38.841-04:00I have learned much from my psychotherapist wife, ...I have learned much from my psychotherapist wife, including the insight about “different content, same process.” This insight seems very applicable in the present context. <br /><br />I see application of the same insight in higher education. To take but one example, here I am sometimes misunderstood and criticized for suggesting the need to cultivate empathy for same sex couples and their desire to marry. There I am sometimes misunderstood and criticized (albeit far more mildly than here because people know me to be of good intention) for suggesting the need to cultivate empathy for religious opponents to same sex marriage (similarly, last year I encountered negativity when teaching Humane Vitae to a class, although I did not encounter it this year). Of course, I realize that some voices on the “religious right” are far less charitable than the Catholic voice, so I do understand some of this reaction. But this sort of mutual intolerance clearly impedes, and is a major challenge facing, attempts at promoting dialogue and mutual understanding <br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77163172157914952012015-07-18T11:49:52.631-04:002015-07-18T11:49:52.631-04:00Jusad:
" I would humbly submit that "pr...Jusad:<br /><br />" I would humbly submit that "progressive Catholics" are almost co-terminous with 'boomer' Catholics"<br /><br />>For a large percentage true. I would not paint with too broad a brush however.<br /><br />"See, they were heroic and successful in the revolution of their youth, knocking over elders who held them in awe and reverence.."<br /><br />>Uh, Jusad, I don't believe in every case they were held in awe and reverence by their elders. I know in the South that was generally not true(at least as far as the "progressives"). In some cases( way too many?) what they were up to and about was not taken seriously enough as to the damage it would cause...<br /><br />"Two, Gen. X people will begin to call them out in public and embarrass them before their peers in ingenious and sarcastic ways"<br /><br />>Let's not succumb to uncharitableness, although I can understand your frustration. A little prayer an sacrifice now and then for their conversion would be in order.<br />Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29612067287166053452015-07-18T07:20:11.223-04:002015-07-18T07:20:11.223-04:00Jusad,
Well said. The revolutionary clergy, reli...Jusad,<br /><br />Well said. The revolutionary clergy, religious and laymen who put the doctrines and devotions of Holy Mother Church beneath the guillotine are in no position to claim any sort of sapient authority over us today. They rejected the spiritual wisdom and ways of their fathers, leaving these bastard sons of the Sixties with nothing more to offer us than some groovy catch phrases and lava lamps. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71351544579418667152015-07-18T02:02:21.908-04:002015-07-18T02:02:21.908-04:00The iron-fisted authoritarianism reveals itself wh...The iron-fisted authoritarianism reveals itself when the Tridentine Liturgy is requested in the average Novus Ordo parish. The same people who preach tolerance are noticeably and unequivocally intolerant.<br /><br />I don't expect it to get better any time soon.<br /><br />Let's sing two more verses of Kumbaya: "Someone's begging Lord" and "Someones' denying Lord."Djangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18142212065672953385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88841903711973893212015-07-17T20:25:29.922-04:002015-07-17T20:25:29.922-04:00Jusad....you are mean.Jusad....you are mean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38088017698338294402015-07-17T14:50:45.311-04:002015-07-17T14:50:45.311-04:00The axes were wielded by Bolshevik converts. The axes were wielded by Bolshevik converts. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4097923637446183792015-07-17T14:16:28.071-04:002015-07-17T14:16:28.071-04:00I would humbly submit that "progressive Catho...I would humbly submit that "progressive Catholics" are almost co-terminous with 'boomer' Catholics. They are 50 and up and have an impaired sense of both humor and history.<br /><br />They are the heroes of the world in their vain eyes and can't conceive of someone younger than themselves laughing in their faces. Because they are the youth of the future, they are the saviors, they are the ones they've been waiting for.<br /><br />I've been in this Boomer generation's shadow my entire life and I'm not impressed with either their erudition or claims of moral perfection. Perhaps it's my Gen. X upbringing or some probable defect in my character but the older I get the less and less respect I have for my elders and the more pressure I feel to knock them off their high horses before they meet their Maker.<br /><br />See, they were heroic and successful in the revolution of their youth, knocking over elders who held them in awe and reverence....so easy was their victory that they began to confuse any and all disruption for growth and progress - not realizing that much is just decay and disintegration. <br /><br />I think what's going to happen is two fold. One, many younger Catholics will simply ignore their offices and inputed institutional authority and outflank them via devotions, private groups, and non-institutional settings for evangelization, education, and edification. So let them rule the schools....there will be fewer and fewer Catholic youth sent to them to care for. Two, Gen. X people will begin to call them out in public and embarrass them before their peers in ingenious and sarcastic ways that can't be easily beaten back by force or threat of punishment without committing the only mortal sin left: being mean.<br /><br />JusadBellumnoreply@blogger.com