tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8958971377949068097..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: ADDING REVERENCE TO THE O.F. MASSFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34341319336701803842010-02-06T20:19:14.581-05:002010-02-06T20:19:14.581-05:00Latin should be in parts of the Ordinary Form, Ord...Latin should be in parts of the Ordinary Form, Ordinary of Mass. The fatihful need to hear it in order to learn it. 99% will not do this on their own. The Church has declared this as its' Mother Tongue and according to SC, the faithful should be taught the parts that pertain to them in Latin. Removing completely from the Ordinary Form seems wrong and against Council wishes. How can one argue for an authentic reform of the reform to the exclusion of Latin and Gregorian Chant? It just renders the entire Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy a pick and choose document and undermines its' premise. Don't get me wrong, I don't know Latin but will have to learn. But it is my heritage and I wish the Priests to teach me and help in growing said knowledge of heritage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14445789333087549992010-01-21T17:34:45.818-05:002010-01-21T17:34:45.818-05:00Marc,
Talk to your priest beforehand. Technical...Marc, <br /><br />Talk to your priest beforehand. Technically, he can't refuse you communion, but if you explain your reasons, most priests will oblige. As for reverence, I just wish that we not define reverence with silence. People express reverence in different ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-444197516175278992010-01-21T11:44:51.846-05:002010-01-21T11:44:51.846-05:00I didn't mean to imply that anyone was stoppin...I didn't mean to imply that anyone was stopping us from receiving while kneeling (very had to put tone and inflection on the internet. <br /><br />I ask from a genuine sense of curiousity. I think many people would like to receive while kneeling, but don't want to upset the priest by unexpectedly kneeling. I think your suggestion about kneelers would let people know that they were welcome to receive kneeling. <br /><br />Thank you for your response! If God wants me to receive while kneeling, now I know that I am welcome to do so at St. Joseph's, kneelers or not!Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80957754968009802852010-01-21T10:22:23.472-05:002010-01-21T10:22:23.472-05:001) I want to say that I like Joe of St. Therese&#...1) I want to say that I like Joe of St. Therese's suggestion very much, and would only add that the Ad Orientem worship should be included. The OF Mass should NOT exclude Latin. If for NO OTHER reason than the V2 Council wanted it retained. It is our heritage and I dare say an OF Mass without any Latin (or Chant) could be argued to be not in accordance with the "spirit of Vatican II".<br /><br />2) On the subject of knelling to receive Communion Father; I know I CAN kneel, but I do not want my Communion experience to be about me. I have tendinitis in both knees, my doctor suggests I not kneel at all but "kind of sit on the edge of the pew" and I can not bring myself to do this. But it is not the pain that stops me from kneeling for communion. It is the impression that the Church wants me to stand. Although I "can" kneel, in fact it is considered the "norm", no provision is made for those who wish to do it. If I kneel on those marble floors, the difficulty in getting up and down, will, even if executed successfully, be nothing but a huge distraction at the worst of times. <br /><br />Would it be possible, to have the kneeler in place in front of you, and if a communicant wished to receive standing, could stand just to the right of it (or left of it if approaching down the left side of the center aisle)? I think the reach for you would be eliminated, but you and the Altar Server would have to shift slightly. Hmmm, sounds awkward.<br /><br />Perhaps just make one line a "kneeling line" and give folks a few weeks warning and they can position their seating accordingly if they do not wish to receive kneeling.Templarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56956815595638326362010-01-21T09:53:38.261-05:002010-01-21T09:53:38.261-05:00Personally, I would love to have a kneeler availab...Personally, I would love to have a kneeler available. When there isn't a kneeler, my kids receive in the hand. This may sound silly and juvenile, but all I can think is that there is a possibility that they are walking around with microscopic particles of Christ on their fingers and hands.<br /><br />Although the temptation to receive in the hand is great (as it is much more in step with what I grew up with)I can't help but cringe at the thought.<br /><br />As I prepare each week to receive Communion, in the quiet recesses of my mind, something is telling me it is not an option for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32300583128898035042010-01-21T08:53:02.666-05:002010-01-21T08:53:02.666-05:00To Mark, not to be flip, but no one is stopping yo...To Mark, not to be flip, but no one is stopping you from kneeling, or least shouldn't be stopping you. The only problem is that you have to do it gracefully on the floor, which could be hard and dirty and it might be difficult getting up again in a graceful manner. Now, with that said, I do think we need to assist people who would like to do this by providing a kneeler--I need to think about this and the logistics of it if there is a kneeler between the Minister of Holy Communion and the Communicant if they choose to remain standing--could be a long reach to them! Fr. McDonaldFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63040835373345326972010-01-21T08:41:13.447-05:002010-01-21T08:41:13.447-05:00Great post! But, what would you suggest for those...Great post! But, what would you suggest for those of us who would like to receive while kneeling?Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75129624852773599972010-01-20T21:22:19.479-05:002010-01-20T21:22:19.479-05:00I appreciate all the ideas.
Definitely more silenc...I appreciate all the ideas.<br />Definitely more silence, especially after Holy Communion.<br />After all the Communion hymns are done and the remaining Blessed Sacrament is safely in the Tabernacle, I'd really like to have enough time to at least pray the whole Anima Christi all the way through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19081250235210912212010-01-20T14:47:33.504-05:002010-01-20T14:47:33.504-05:00I agree with your ideas. As I've said at my bl...I agree with your ideas. As I've said at my blog, and in various forms, vernacular Mass isn't evil or anything like that. If I was to give my something the OF in line with Vatican II, it'd be like this<br /><br />Introit (vernacular)<br />Penetential Rite (vernacular)<br />Kyrie (Greek)<br />Gloria (Latin)<br />Collect (vernacular)<br />Readings (vernacular)<br />Gradual/Tract/Alleluia (vernacular)<br />Creed (Latin)<br />Paryers of the Faithful (vernacular)<br />Offertory silent (Latin)<br />Offertory verse (vernacular)<br />Preface (Vernacular)<br />Sanctus (Latin)<br />Words of Consecration (Latin)<br />Everything else in the Canon (vernacular)<br />Our Father (Latin)<br />Agnus Dei (Latin)<br />Communion verse (vernacular)<br />Kneeling and on the tongue for Communion<br /><br />The parts that were left in Latin were purposeful as to maintain our Catholic culture in the Latin Rite. <br /><br />But I do like this post very much.Joe of St. Thérèsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06506671882770822003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8787432709055089072010-01-20T11:35:08.074-05:002010-01-20T11:35:08.074-05:00I mispelled "singeing." Can you fix it? ...I mispelled "singeing." Can you fix it? Perhaps, sauteeing would read better.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68398959057644596882010-01-20T11:33:37.887-05:002010-01-20T11:33:37.887-05:00People need to stop leaving Mass early, especially...People need to stop leaving Mass early, especially just before the final hymn. There are even some who receive and then return straight to the exit. This is inexcusable and should, at least, earn them a brief singing during Purgatory.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29414914174851330842010-01-20T10:44:08.862-05:002010-01-20T10:44:08.862-05:00Great ideas all. I would add that priests need to...Great ideas all. I would add that priests need to encourage silence AFTER Mass as well. At most churches, the loud chatter stops as soon as the "hymn" from the Glory and Praise book is ended. It would also help if fewer priests went through the congregation "working the room" by chattering and joking with the congregants.Robert Kumpelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567786012498143419noreply@blogger.com