tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8805442681250610191..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: OUT OF AFRICA! SOUTH AFRICA THAT IS: FINALLY A LIBERAL ANALYSIS OF A LIBERAL PAPACY FROM A JESUIT WHO KNOWS JESUITS!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18658563029095171532014-11-17T00:37:34.839-05:002014-11-17T00:37:34.839-05:00I admire the skill that the Jesuit uses to convinc...I admire the skill that the Jesuit uses to convince the reader that he is a man of reason and that our pope is using a sophisticated method of achieving consensus that is so advanced that primitive minds like Burke and George can’t understand it. For the readers of this blog his sleight-of-hand technique doesn’t work, but I think it’s effective for 85% of the Catholics that like to associate with a moderate voice of reason. The don’t realize that what is being proposed is actually the extreme radical view because it craftily makes the rejection of God’s will to be the desirable end as long as it is performed through grueling discernment. Father Rus is a guy who has the talent to know exactly how to slow cook the lukewarm Catholic frogs in a pot and bring the temperature to the boiling point at just the right time. <br /><br />Bee: 110% in agreement. I would just change your last word to “sham”.<br /><br />MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7155289948475146412014-11-16T10:40:07.472-05:002014-11-16T10:40:07.472-05:00The ironic story about this will be His Grace Card...The ironic story about this will be His Grace Cardinal Burke being elected Pope and saving the Church from destuction and restoring the Traditional Latin Mass, pray for Raymond Leo Burke for he is under assault from demonic forces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22758495676759646882014-11-16T06:40:45.632-05:002014-11-16T06:40:45.632-05:00Cardinal Burke is again calling on Pope Francis to...Cardinal Burke is again calling on Pope Francis to state what the Catholic Church's position on homosexual relations and giving holy Communion to the divorced/remarried:<br /><br />He also reiterated his call to the Pontiff, made during last month's Synod on the Family, to clarify "at this point" where the Catholic Church stands on homosexual relations and on giving Holy Communion to divorced and civilly remarried couples.<br /><br />Cardinal Burke told RTÉ News there is growing confusion about what the Church really teaches and that the impression is being given that it is a democracy in which a second synod of bishops will vote on these matters next year.<br /><br />Cardinal Burke, who is now the Cardinal Patron of the Order of Malta, said neither Catholic doctrine nor discipline is decided by the votes of bishops.<br /><br />The conference in Limerick is being organised by "The Catholic Voice" newspaper and was attended by the Bishop of Limerick, Dr Brendan Leahy and the former MEP Dana Rosemary Scallon.<br /><br />http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1115/659730-cardinal/<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75746097426690286132014-11-16T06:01:17.354-05:002014-11-16T06:01:17.354-05:00"The real crisis is the inability to listen o..."The real crisis is the inability to listen openly and attentively to views that are not necessarily in line with a single worldview. A lack of understanding of the process of discernment is the real problem that assails many bishops and lay people in the Catholic Church." <br /><br />Sorry, not buying it. Our faith is based on magisterial teaching. Some things are simply not up for debate and "discernment", like the deposit of faith. Thank God for Cardinal Burke in upholding the teachings of the faith. Charles Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-55233606150227624522014-11-15T21:53:06.438-05:002014-11-15T21:53:06.438-05:00I echo Jan's comments...
Religious life is no...I echo Jan's comments...<br /><br />Religious life is not something that is meant to be imposed on the Church Universal. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2913895059615983762014-11-15T18:53:50.864-05:002014-11-15T18:53:50.864-05:00More rubbish from a Jesuit...yawn. As I said befo...More rubbish from a Jesuit...yawn. As I said before I tire of this needless rehashing of things that don't need rehashing and just create Chaos. I don't believe it's discernment, again, I believe it is looking for the loopholes so we DON'T have to do what God wants us to do, because that might be hard, rather, it is doing what is easy, emotional and "culturally acceptable." <br /><br />We are well past the time for theological or intellectual shadow boxing. 50 years of Chaos has resulted in the wreck of the Bark of Peter. Time for Church leaders to snap out of it and pull their head out of their backside defilade position.<br /><br />PAXAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04527703911965463551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56052878198066131072014-11-15T18:40:23.003-05:002014-11-15T18:40:23.003-05:00Talk about incorporating worldly elements into the...Talk about incorporating worldly elements into the liturgy--right now I am watching a Ukrainian Divine liturgy for the installation of a new bishop in Parma, Ohio.<br /><br />No "Gather Us In" and ugly polyester vestments in this liturgy! It's a beautiful liturgy worthy of its purpose in worshipping and glorifying God. <br /><br />That picture of Cardinal Burke at that OF Mass in the gold vestments would be a Latin Rite version which would parallel the beauty of the Divine liturgy I am still enjoying on EWTN with the beautiful singing (not in the vernacular). Unfortunately, most OF liturgies have way too much of the modern worldly ethos incorporated into their style. <br /><br />Those Ukrainian Catholics are part of the post-Vatican II church as well. Why did they get to keep their beautiful ancient liturgy with its beautiful externals while most Latin Rite Catholics get what is typical in most American parishes today? <br /><br />Those Ukrainian Catholics live in modern-day American culture just like us. Why did we need liturgical "reform" (by putting "reform" in quotes I am showing my sarcastic eschewing of the typical OF fare--not the OF itself) and they didn't need reform?Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53602030756372555902014-11-15T18:31:28.365-05:002014-11-15T18:31:28.365-05:00"To discern means to engage in a process of t..."To discern means to engage in a process of trying to discover the will or desire of God in a given situation."<br /><br />The will of God in ANY situation is that man should repent and come to Him. Period. If the course of action chosen doesn't work toward and will not ultimately achieve this end, then it's not God's will.<br /><br />I think any other kind of "discernment" is just trying to get God to affirm what WE want to happen. And that is a wonderful trick of the devil. <br /><br />To claim St. Ignatius' rules for discernment were to do the latter, and ignore the former, is a real shame.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88959090278686162722014-11-15T16:08:42.643-05:002014-11-15T16:08:42.643-05:00Unfortunately, the state of the Jesuits is well kn...Unfortunately, the state of the Jesuits is well known. In Australia, for example it was reported that some years back a quiz was held on the 10 Commandments and the Jesuits present couldn't even list them! I have wondered too if Francis actually does know the Church's teaching. I mean that in all seriousness. A lot of the Church's teaching from Vatican II was modified in fact by Popes St John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Has Francis kept abreast of it?<br /><br />I think some of his off-the-cuff remarks have pointed to the fact that he hasn't. In particular, his point about all sorts of people of any religion getting to heaven without necessarily accepting Christ.<br /><br />In contrast St John Paul II said:<br />"The mystery of salvation is continued and accomplished in the Church, and from this single source it reaches the whole world. There is no salvation outside the Church. From her<br />alone there flows the life giving force destined to renew the whole of humanity, directing every human<br />being to become a part of the Mystical Body of Christ."<br />Losservatore Romano Oct.12,1981" <br /><br />A Canon lawyer such as Cardinal Burke would know what the Church teaches. That is why he said we can't go to the peripheries empty-handed, without faith.<br /><br />Benedict XVI's recent statement also seems to corrects Francis when he says:<br />"Many today think religions should respect each other and, in their dialogue, become a common force for peace. According to this way of thinking, it is usually taken for granted that different religions are variants of one and the same reality. The question of truth, that which originally motivated Christians more than any other, is here put inside parentheses. It is assumed that the authentic truth about God is in the last analysis unreachable and that at best one can represent the ineffable with a variety of symbols. This renunciation of truth seems realistic and useful for peace among religions in the world. It is nevertheless lethal to faith." <br /><br />This Jesuit is behaving as many priests in the 70s did. They seemed to think that people are ignorant of their faith and will accept anything that a priest says as gospel. Are we to believe that someone like Cardinal Burke is "“angry, demoralised and disappointed man". What rubbish. Cardinal Burke is an intelligent man who sees what is going on - and what is pretty obvious to most by now - that that the attempted deliberate destruction of the faith by Kasper et al. Cardinal Burke is steady and shows the leadership and clarity in the truths of the faith where the voice we are accustomed to hearing has grown silent on truth and very muddled and, as Bishop Tobin more or less says has created a mess.<br /><br />I am sure the Knights of Malta have received a shot in the arm for their cause with the promotion of Cardinal Burke as their patron - although I believe he has been a member since 2011. Apparently many influential people are within their ranks and they have been instrumental in fighting for the faith in the crusades in the past. What better leader could they have in that task than Cardinal Burke?<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34601982166254795082014-11-15T14:25:22.613-05:002014-11-15T14:25:22.613-05:00When Jesuits missionaries of long ago, such as Fra...When Jesuits missionaries of long ago, such as Francis Xavier, were attempting to convert those they encountered in foreign lands, people existing in an alien culture, they were not averse to incorporating aspects and elements of that culture which were not contrary to Church teaching. What we are dealing with today is a secular culture which is hostile to the Catholic faith in particular and Christianity in general. There are those Catholic prelates and Protestant ministers who have incorporated elements of our present worldly culture into their worship services and theology. The evidence we see so far is that this is not working out too well.I know that the Holy Father being a Jesuit has been formed in Ignation spirituality but I can't believe that his position is that Ignation discernment would (or should )lead one to compromise with the corrupting influences of the present culture.Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1890103754845578442014-11-15T13:48:34.525-05:002014-11-15T13:48:34.525-05:00Blither blather. Not worth deep analysis and bunch...Blither blather. Not worth deep analysis and bunches of words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19054190944534054312014-11-15T13:22:17.661-05:002014-11-15T13:22:17.661-05:00Excuses...excuses.
If "discernment" is ...Excuses...excuses.<br /><br />If "discernment" is truly the "Jesuit way to ponder a "non-negotiable" matter, that Order might as well stop calling itself the "Society of Jesus." <br /><br />It's an insult to every orthodox Jesuit to think he can debate with the Lord about things written up in the Bible and how His Church has interpreted them over the centuries. <br /><br />It's an insult to suggest that belief and practice are two separate things. For God sake, Catholics are the original multi-taskers. They can believe and practice their faith at the same time. They can chew gum and walk at the same time.<br /><br />That's why I don't buy the "Well, he's a Jesuit" excuse each time someone tries to explain what the Pope is saying. It's an insult to Sts. Ignatius, Francis X, Peter Canitius, Francis Regis, etc. who worked and died faithful to the teachings of Jesus. <br /><br />There are Jesuit public figures in these more recent times who speak clearly, who faithfully explain their Lord and His Church, yet they remain as Jesuits. <br /><br />Think of Fr. Fessio, Fr. Mitch Pacwa, the late Fr. Raymond Dunn, the saintly Fr. John Hardon, and even the late dandy ex-Jesuit, Fr. Malachi Martin. They taught and wrote clearly with well thought-out ideas before opening their mouths.<br /><br />Pope Francis is of a different sort, and one wonders if he's really acting and thinking his age. He's a few years older than me. Like him, I am neither North American nor European. Both he and I must have learned our catechism lessons and prayers in our respective native languages when we were children. He was not a Jesuit from childhood. <br /><br />Why does he, more often than not, act like he believes the Church got started only in 1968? Is he, in fact, not yet 50 years old in mind and spirit? <br /><br />Sorry, this explanation from a "fellow Jesuit" just doesn't cut it.Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00003965922434128196noreply@blogger.com