tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8759193176015870808..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON CARDINAL BURKE’S USELESS INTERVENTION INTO THE THINKING OF POPE FRANCISFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83399408498727550022021-07-26T17:43:38.773-04:002021-07-26T17:43:38.773-04:00John Nolan,
No “cut and paste” response available...John Nolan,<br /><br />No “cut and paste” response available so you won’t hear from himPierrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33598462552173193642021-07-24T05:28:15.459-04:002021-07-24T05:28:15.459-04:00Mark Thomas - are you aware that Joseph Shaw is li...Mark Thomas - are you aware that Joseph Shaw is listed on Rorate Caeli as one of its contributors, along with Peter Kwasniewski? Do you therefore regard him as a Francis-hating, venom-spewing, Satanic mutineer?<br /><br />By the way, your grossly intemperate language far outdoes PF in nastiness - indeed, it comes across as pathological. Now, will you condescend to answer my questions? After all, you are not known for your reticence in voicing your opinions.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21187489971784331392021-07-23T19:40:06.075-04:002021-07-23T19:40:06.075-04:00YIKES!YIKES!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85173163368562543982021-07-23T19:30:04.119-04:002021-07-23T19:30:04.119-04:00Father McDonald, you made the homepage of Church M...Father McDonald, you made the homepage of Church Militant. Your TLM pictures are easy to come by online.Stephen Connerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318136903221006820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15587459481036099262021-07-23T17:01:22.643-04:002021-07-23T17:01:22.643-04:00I've always just used the terms "the old ...I've always just used the terms "the old Mass" and "the new Mass." <br /><br />Православный физик said...<i>"ByzRus, it will probably come to the point where the 62' Missal will be allowed in the vernacular...Which is what should have been done in the first place."</i><br /><br />Basically, that's what happened at the beginning, and it was scrapped within a matter of a few short years, which is an indication that the intent of the changes, at least in the minds of some, wasn't just to foster "active participation."DJRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028761850444888285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31664861056299175972021-07-23T15:40:01.891-04:002021-07-23T15:40:01.891-04:00ByzRus, it will probably come to the point where t...ByzRus, it will probably come to the point where the 62' Missal will be allowed in the vernacular...Which is what should have been done in the first place. But so much damage to get to the point.<br /><br />There were heresies when Latin was the spoken language, and there will be heresies long afterwards...Sadly, I think people forget that.<br /><br />As for what to call them, Mass of (insert pope here) seems to work. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25745231008279983392021-07-23T15:38:52.516-04:002021-07-23T15:38:52.516-04:00Father McDonald,
Off topic but I thought you woul...Father McDonald,<br /><br />Off topic but I thought you would like to know that Archbishop Cordileone put “devout” Catholic Nancy Pelosi in her placePierrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3770416353020254112021-07-23T13:56:08.825-04:002021-07-23T13:56:08.825-04:00https://www.ncregister.com/news/latin-mass-society...https://www.ncregister.com/news/latin-mass-society-traditionis-custodes-regulates-not-abrogrates-older-liturgy<br /><br />-- Latin Mass Society: ‘Traditionis Custodes’ Regulates Not Abrogrates Older Liturgy<br /><br />(Chairman Joseph Shaw says he hopes the society’s canonical guidance will lead to calm and reasoned discussion of Pope Francis’ apostolic letter.)<br /><br />Edward Pentin <br /><br />July 22, 2021<br /><br />VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis’ new decree restricting the traditional Latin Mass can be interpreted in such a way that it is “perfectly reasonable” for bishops to allow existing arrangements for celebration of the older form of the Roman rite to continue in their dioceses, and for lay faithful to continue attending such Masses. <br /><br />This is according to a canonical assessment issued this week by the Latin Mass Society (LMS) of England and Wales, which aims to give indications on what the decree — an apostolic letter issued motu proprio called Traditionis Custodes (Guardians of Tradition) — means in terms of the canonical obligations on bishops and priests. <br /><br />The LMS paper, written in consultation with expert canonists, further asserts that the apostolic letter does not abrogate the 1962 Roman Missal, and thus leaves the right of priests to celebrate it intact even though it does regulate the way this right can be exercised. <br /><br />“Our hope is that this document will contribute to a calm and reasoned discussion of the practical implications of the apostolic letter and help to prevent rash or over-hasty attempts to implement it,” said LMS Chairman Joseph Shaw.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73542727034195572532021-07-23T12:42:27.707-04:002021-07-23T12:42:27.707-04:00I suggest we call the two forms Heckle and Jeckle....I suggest we call the two forms Heckle and Jeckle.<br /><br />Or maybe Bonnie and Clyde.<br /><br />What about Fred and Ginger?<br /><br />Tweedledum and Tweedledee might be too much, don't you think?L. C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49334180297338520072021-07-23T12:00:13.438-04:002021-07-23T12:00:13.438-04:00The terms Usus Antiquior and Usus Recentior were b...The terms Usus Antiquior and Usus Recentior were being used before Summorum Pontificum. Why did Benedict XVI not employ these terms rather than invent the idea of two forms? After all, there are many different Uses of the Roman Rite; pre-Reformation England had those of Sarum, York, Durham, Hereford and Bangor, and the religious orders had their own distinct Uses, some of which, like the Dominican, have survived until the present day.<br /><br />The answer surely is that the Paul VI Missal is too far removed from the classic Roman Rite as to qualify as a Use of the same. Significantly, the Roman Canon is optional. On Sunday I shall attend the Solemn Latin OF Mass, ad orientem and with the Gregorian Propers, and it will use the Roman Canon. One can envisage it as a Use of the Roman Rite and indeed it is authentically and gloriously Catholic, to the extent that pre-Vatican II generations would fully identify with it. <br /><br />But I have to remind myself that it is merely one of several options allowed in the new Missal, and if it were an actual Use it would have developed gradually over centuries. Does that matter? Not in the least, but the way we use terminology is important.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90724608636661017322021-07-23T11:54:09.315-04:002021-07-23T11:54:09.315-04:00I suggest we call the two forms Heckle and Jeckle....I suggest we call the two forms Heckle and Jeckle.<br /><br />Or maybe Bonnie and Clyde.<br /><br />What about Fred and Ginger?<br /><br />Tweedledum and Tweedledee might be too much, don't you think?L. C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39691853878281279102021-07-23T09:41:54.426-04:002021-07-23T09:41:54.426-04:00The ultimate goal of new worship is not to help us...<br />The ultimate goal of new worship is not to help us to enter into a more perfect union with God but to subject us to spiritual servitude in the CHURCH of WHAT's HAPPENING NOW. This is being accomplished by replacing or otherwise eliminating the orthodox teachings and teachers. If one resists the newly fabricated heterodox dogmas of diversity, tolerance, inclusivity, but especially the "theology" of gender ideology, OUT WITH YOU! will be the marching order.<br /><br />In the business world this phenomenon is known as a hostile takeover.<br /><br />Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8183339988530138742021-07-23T09:26:46.711-04:002021-07-23T09:26:46.711-04:00To your questions, yes, that seems like a very rea...To your questions, yes, that seems like a very reasonable thing to do for the sake of continuity. However, that doesn't seem to be the direction of those in charge at the moment so, it will likely remain wishful thinking. <br /><br />To me, the easiest thing to do is make the vernacular side of the '62 missal UR, and the Latin side remains as UA. I can just hear the wailing regarding the readings and other things that would have to "give" to accomplish this. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.com