tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8732094334738928450..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: FINALLY A FAIR AND BALANCED VIEW ON THE UNGODLY CRISIS AFFLICTING THE PRIESTHOOD:Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26724002225680405902017-02-14T11:39:58.995-05:002017-02-14T11:39:58.995-05:00I thought it was self explanatory. I thought it was self explanatory. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20974024907376242262017-02-14T10:12:02.994-05:002017-02-14T10:12:02.994-05:00Apparently Blogger no longer takes links. Apparently Blogger no longer takes links. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72131505831311491532017-02-13T17:03:09.894-05:002017-02-13T17:03:09.894-05:00Here's a description of the history of celibac...Here's a description of the history of celibacy. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-58752684117428043452017-02-12T22:59:47.900-05:002017-02-12T22:59:47.900-05:00Just because the Eastern churches do something doe...Just because the Eastern churches do something doesn't mean it should be copied by the Western churches. While I do think opening up ordination to those who are already married would give some relief in some regard, it wouldn't solve everything.<br /><br />I can think of several people who would pursue seminary if the priesthood were opened to married men in the Latin church. Considering the numbers at most Latin parishes, financially, it could perhaps work, but there are other dynamics to be considered, what about the wife and kids if the priest passes away first? Surely it's not charitable to just leave them on their own. <br /><br />Because celibacy in the priesthood is a discipline and not dogma of the Church, it is not an attack on the Church or Christ Himself. (Both married and unmarried clergy are well documented as mentioned into the 1100's for the Latin church). The self-inflicted vocation crisis in the Latin church will only end once the Liturgy is taken seriously, and the Faith is taken seriously again, but we're seeing a return to the 79's which I don't want for the Latin church, they've had enough to endure. <br /><br />Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62508072356453751502017-02-12T09:40:35.409-05:002017-02-12T09:40:35.409-05:00Dialogue,
Sorry, you are mistaken. For an example...Dialogue,<br /><br />Sorry, you are mistaken. For an example, read the Venerable Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English Church. Venerable Bede makes it quite clear the priest lived with his wife and children with no hint that such conduct was unusual or proscribed.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-17856519312398811182017-02-11T16:24:49.716-05:002017-02-11T16:24:49.716-05:00TJM,
In the first Christian millennium, married p...TJM,<br /><br />In the first Christian millennium, married priests no longer lived with their wives after ordination, as has been well documented. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82761759241066527372017-02-11T15:15:23.294-05:002017-02-11T15:15:23.294-05:00There are too many today who, when it comes to thi... There are too many today who, when it comes to this subject, traffic in conjecture and unsubstantiated rumors along with misinformation, in order to arrive at a certain conclusion, in addition to supporting their arguments with dubious, if not manifestly incorrect, statistical inferences. <br /><br />Celibacy as it pertains to the Catholic priesthood, involves the renunciation of marriage for the sake of the Kingdom of God. A person who becomes a Catholic priest voluntarily gives up the opportunity to marry. In marriage, the spouses make a gift of themselves to each other. The person who chooses to becomes a priest makes a gift of himself to the Church. Both vocations represent covenantal agreements between the persons involved and God Himself. In addition, we are all called to to be chaste, whether called to celibacy or to the vocation of marriage. Chastity is a virtue which is to be practiced by all - both those who are married and those not married. Anyone who is a practicing Christian true to God's teaching is to practice chastity. Chastity can mean one abstains from all sexual intercourse , or in the case of those who are married, sexual activity which is sinful and not in accordance with that which is permissible and God-ordained. Any Catholic who is not married and desires to be true to God's teachings, must be celibate and practice chastity. A person, whether a priest or a wedded spouse, can both become unchaste, but that does not necessarily affect their calling in life. It represents the interposition of a sinful choice or choices which can be repented of, confessed and forgiven. <br /><br />Cannot the attack on celibacy be considered as a veiled attack on the Church itself ,whose patron, St Joseph we hold to be true, was celibate when married to the Blessed Virgin, as she herself was. <br /><br /><br />Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05809499822558662728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42715204442633277972017-02-11T11:32:22.194-05:002017-02-11T11:32:22.194-05:00Instead of the Pope focusing his time and efforts ...Instead of the Pope focusing his time and efforts on misguided schemes like giving Holy Communion to adulterers, he should focus his efforts on the celibacy issue. Until 1139 Anno Domini, secular clergy typically were married, whereas regular clergy were not. This should be studied. I see married Anglican priests with children who are fantastic priests, although I don't know how they do it. As husbands and fathers they tend to be more traditional in their views. It might also be a means of infusing a more virile element into the clergy, although I am not saying that all priests are wimpy, but many are. In my former parish a priest who swished down the aisle and wore eye makeup (I kid you not) did us all a favor when he ran off with his boyfriend. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53861002384974607782017-02-11T10:07:36.665-05:002017-02-11T10:07:36.665-05:00I am not satisfied with any of the analyses I have...I am not satisfied with any of the analyses I have read. They treat the priests as if they were cabbage, measured weighed and catalogued. There is some usefulness in researching how such cases were handled in days past if for no other reason than to evaluate the effectiveness of the various approaches. It is tempting to lay this event at the feet of Vatican II and the libertine approach to sexuality that flowed from it. Whether or not it was newly formed priests or legacy clerics from just prior may be immaterial for two reasons. First, there was precious little resistance to the catestrophic and apparently incorrect directions taken in the name of Vatican II. So the clergy already in place welcomed and advanced the false conclusions. They were laying in wait to upend the Church in every possible way so the poor recruits being blamed for this catastrophe were merely doing what they were told. Secondly, since sin is in our nature no one is immune from participating in nearly any sin. The Israelites had crossed the sea on foot and seen The Burning Cloud with their own eyes yet they still built and worshiped the Golden Calf. Priests who were told that practically everything they had belived was hogwash were left with a gap in their world construct to fill. They filled it with themselves exactly as men have always done. <br /><br />Our problem is that the higher ups in the Church think it is a bad thing to fire a priest or remove him to a place where he has an extensive remaking. When we hold back our correction we kill them with our kindness and allow their infection to spread. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62845802992190913392017-02-11T07:36:07.851-05:002017-02-11T07:36:07.851-05:00The last stats I read indicated that sexual abuse ...The last stats I read indicated that sexual abuse by clergy is around 4% across all denominations. Genenoreply@blogger.com