tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8678845267409341074..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IN THE LITURGY CAN THERE BE A HEALTHY BALANCE BETWEEN FORMAL AND INFORMAL, RIGID AND FLEXIBLE, HUMAN AND DIVINEFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36244820230236646782019-08-08T21:41:57.462-04:002019-08-08T21:41:57.462-04:00No one has mentioned the real master of these mass...No one has mentioned the real master of these mass murders. Satan the father of all lies who Our Lord let loose upon the world and his church more then 100 years ago and time is now coming to a close in my opinion so all this babble about this and that is a waste of time. Ever think why all of our lady’s visits have been in the last 150 years or less. Warnings upon warning with none being heeded.<br /><br />Pray the rosary and pray that Our Lord’s judgement is just for each of us. I’m sick of politics and I’m sick of the anti-church that was birthed the same year of my own birth. <br /><br />My anger at the sodomites and the pathetically weak shepherds is beyond words. I can no longer pray for their conversion time is up.<br /><br />Paul McCarthynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80942424115871478042019-08-07T10:43:49.305-04:002019-08-07T10:43:49.305-04:00From another thread: Fr. McDonald: "His rece...From another thread: Fr. McDonald: "His reception was in our social hall and I asked him to go immediately so he wouldn’t get trapped at the Church. He also offered First blessings at the social hall with the indulgence. He was ordained July 8. Cut him and me some slavk"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13224120027750101162019-08-07T09:16:44.397-04:002019-08-07T09:16:44.397-04:00Mr Nolan:
"'Childlike' and 'chil...Mr Nolan:<br /> "'Childlike' and 'childish' are confused."<br />You pretty well summarise the Novus Ordo not only as ubiquitously practised in the affluent suburban parishes, but by its very nature as conceived in Sacrosanctum Concilium, a "politicised" work mainly by Josef Jungmann and "dressed up" by Annibale Bugnini so as to appeal to the Council Fathers for a quick favourable vote thereby avoiding discussion above all else which would otherwise reveal its Modernist agenda. If the liturgical reforms are to be founded on "active participation above all else," itself a fanatical Modernist statement, then you can only do so if it suits the lowest common denominator in the congregation. Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26553266041828078952019-08-06T22:48:48.775-04:002019-08-06T22:48:48.775-04:00Why is the one priest wearing Mass vestments are a...Why is the one priest wearing Mass vestments are a luncheon reception?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45412812405959642932019-08-06T16:02:47.774-04:002019-08-06T16:02:47.774-04:00A thought-provoking post; "The Best Vehicle f...A thought-provoking post; "<a href="https://admontemmyrrhae.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-best-vehicle-for-church-renewal-and.html" rel="nofollow">The Best Vehicle for Church Renewal and Evangelization</a>".<br /><br />MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88796219459708941752019-08-06T15:05:40.825-04:002019-08-06T15:05:40.825-04:00"A member of the party of Clinton and Kennedy..."A member of the party of Clinton and Kennedy has a lot of crust talking about family/marriage"<br /><br />But, you see dear boy, I wasn't talking about Clinton and Kennedy.<br /><br />I was talking about Trump and those who support him. I can see how you could miss that, though.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86035110469397568862019-08-06T11:27:02.738-04:002019-08-06T11:27:02.738-04:00Anonymous K,
A member of the party of Clinton and...Anonymous K,<br /><br />A member of the party of Clinton and Kennedy has a lot of crust talking about family/marriage<br />TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70818546770583977752019-08-06T09:40:55.994-04:002019-08-06T09:40:55.994-04:00"Breakdown of the family----you never hear th..."Breakdown of the family----you never hear the Democrats being critical of the "fatherless society" that grips large portions of St. Louis, Baltimore, Washington, Savannah, Augusta, Macon, Columbia....Ok, you get the point!"<br /><br />Yet, you hear Republicans and other cultists supporting, defending, and lionizing the Man in the White House who embodies the breakdown of the family, the thrice "married" denier of his need for divine forgiveness, the exemplar of the "seldom or never" crowd.<br /><br />But that's another front...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12203024693335980562019-08-06T08:53:14.092-04:002019-08-06T08:53:14.092-04:00Breakdown of the family----you never hear the Demo...Breakdown of the family----you never hear the Democrats being critical of the "fatherless society" that grips large portions of St. Louis, Baltimore, Washington, Savannah, Augusta, Macon, Columbia....Ok, you get the point!<br /><br />On another front, you usually don't hear in a mass shooting case that the killer was a faithful member of XYZ church, sang in the choir, was a deacon----it would be interesting to compare crime statistics among frequent worshipers versus the "seldom or never" crowd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41101805392564515922019-08-06T08:52:58.529-04:002019-08-06T08:52:58.529-04:00Precisely when would the priest ask the congregati...Precisely when would the priest ask the congregation to hold hands? The invitation 'praeceptis salutoribus moniti ...' follows immediately after the doxology, and the priest may not interrupt the liturgy or ad-lib at this point.<br /><br />Thirty years ago I was teaching at a small Catholic secondary school which had a weekly 'school Mass'. On one occasion the (visiting) priest asked everyone, staff and students alike, to hold hands and circle the 'altar' (actually a table in the school library) while saying the Our Father.<br /><br />I said 'No, that's going too far', and refused to join in. The rest, who were as surprised at the suggestion as I was, meekly complied and played 'ring o' roses'. Thankfully, this was the one and only occasion anyone tried to inflict this nonsense on me.<br /><br />It has frequently occurred to me that current liturgical practice in most places, far from empowering the laity, actually infantilizes them. The old ICEL 'translation' is a case in point; it assumed that people were semi-literate at best and could not cope with subordinate clauses. Musical settings could not rise above the level of advertising jingles. Postures had to be regimented so that the 'People of God' could proclaim their unity. 'Childlike' and 'childish' are confused.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28505755322373992972019-08-06T08:32:18.342-04:002019-08-06T08:32:18.342-04:00Father McDonald,
In my former territorial parish ...Father McDonald,<br /><br />In my former territorial parish which I rarely attended the “liberal” pastor demanded that people cross the aisle to join hands. Needless to say I declined his order and he accused me of “politicizing” the Mass. i am still scratching my head over that statement. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86608267563201854782019-08-06T05:24:12.072-04:002019-08-06T05:24:12.072-04:00My greatest problem with handhold at Mass is when ...My greatest problem with handhold at Mass is when the priest asks everyone to do so. The other problem is the presumption a layperson has that the person next to them must hold hands.<br /><br />When asked about this, I recommend only family members or those willing do so. There need not be an unbroken chain of handholding.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89014644806280119622019-08-05T17:24:01.944-04:002019-08-05T17:24:01.944-04:00JDJ,
Well our culture has become more liberal, l...JDJ,<br /><br />Well our culture has become more liberal, less religious, fractured families, coupled with an unhinged and irresponsible academia, media and Hollywood that worships abortion but I am not buying the crap Kavanaugh is peddling about Americans being "immature." The one group in America that is immature are the so-called "elites"that have caused the degradation of American culture, not the average American. Kavanaugh will never explain how mass killings occur in "mature" cultures like Europe and Asia because he either won't address it because he has been trapped in his own ridiculous assertion or is it against the idiotic, liberal narrative. Strange why so many foreigners are trying to bust into "immature" America when "mature" Europe and Asia are there for them to bust into . TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20644119023479785752019-08-05T15:52:42.675-04:002019-08-05T15:52:42.675-04:00I agree with FRMJK, Marc and FRAJM about worsening...I agree with FRMJK, Marc and FRAJM about worsening violence in our culture. I do think there is violence in other cultures as pointed out by TJM. But surely we are going to have to do something about our own problems here in the US before we point fingers elsewhere.JDJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79249058224027923422019-08-05T15:44:31.897-04:002019-08-05T15:44:31.897-04:00Kavanaugh,
You still haven't educated us on h...Kavanaugh,<br /><br />You still haven't educated us on how the "mature" Europeans put mass murderers into power and how mass killings have occured in that "mature" culture. Why run away?TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51175819084879840662019-08-05T15:11:17.561-04:002019-08-05T15:11:17.561-04:00Marc - I have frequently noted the hyper-individua...Marc - I have frequently noted the hyper-individualization of our culture here; it is another significant cause for the violence we see.<br /><br />For the newcomers to the blog: "Habits of the Heart, With a New Preface: Individualism and Commitment in American Life" by Robert Bellah, et al, is the work to which I have often referred.<br /><br />Article "America's gun culture in charts" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54455531649044888962019-08-05T15:07:29.903-04:002019-08-05T15:07:29.903-04:00The USCCB has weighed in on this. It’s not a sanct...<i>The USCCB has weighed in on this. It’s not a sanctioned action. http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-eucharist/posture-during-the-eucharistic-prayer-and-our-father.cfm</i><br /><br />The USCCB site says "No position is prescribed in the Roman Missal for an assembly gesture during the Lord's Prayer." I don't see how this proscribes anything.Frederick (Fritz) Bauerschmidthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01491804250797733456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20057106613658066822019-08-05T14:41:46.998-04:002019-08-05T14:41:46.998-04:00Kavanaugh,
The “mature” cultures in Asia and Euro...Kavanaugh,<br /><br />The “mature” cultures in Asia and Europe, brought us Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zedong. I am sick of elitist twaddle. These folks are nuts but don’t lock them up or the ACLU will come after you. Fyi, there are mass killings in Europe and Asia if you care to refresh your memoryTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60454638276637007712019-08-05T14:40:33.962-04:002019-08-05T14:40:33.962-04:00Democrats complain tha Senate Republicans have hel...Democrats complain tha Senate Republicans have held up gun control legislation. Yes and Democrats have filibustered legislation to prohibit late-terms abortions of late. So time for some dealmaking---Mitch McConnell allows gun control legislation to come to a vote, and Democrats vow to allow (not filibuster) restrictions on late-term abortions. Don;t hold your breath on such a deal happening, of course!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39691499347592440172019-08-05T12:59:11.510-04:002019-08-05T12:59:11.510-04:00Yes all of this is true and not only is social med...Yes all of this is true and not only is social media radicalizing the mentally imbalanced and sad socially disenfranchised including those given highly dysfunctional upbringings in a politically correct society that hates God and God’s laws but we have politicians antagonizing these kinds of people who then react be it the president ‘s vulgarities or the Democrats sanctimony,Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-17716640506195644092019-08-05T12:33:47.918-04:002019-08-05T12:33:47.918-04:00Fr. Kavanaugh makes excellent points, to which I w...Fr. Kavanaugh makes excellent points, to which I would add that American society is becoming increasingly hyper-individualized and over saturated with media, particularly social media. Together with those things Fr. Kavanaugh mentioned, I think this leads to individuals undertaking acts of violence based on individual, self-created vendettas, assured of a certain amount of notoriety that they cannot get in any other way.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33835731357959922242019-08-05T11:31:27.246-04:002019-08-05T11:31:27.246-04:00I think these things happen here for several, inte...I think these things happen here for several, interwoven reasons.<br /><br />The first, and the easiest to change, is the easy availability of guns. Other countries with higher gun ownership rates but with vastly more restrictive gun laws, and whose citizens have the same access to violent movies/video games, don't have this problem.<br /><br />The second, and more difficult to change, is the inability of many people to deal appropriately with their emotions, especially anger. This arises from inadequate parenting which, in turn, stems from 1) single-parent households, 2) poor parenting in dual-parent households, and 3) the lack of understanding of some parents regarding what their role is with their children. (I heard a quote recently that makes sense to me: "Violence is what we do when we don't know what to do with our emotions.")<br /><br />The third, and most difficult to address and which stems, itself, from several sources, is the fascination our Western culture, especially in the USA, has with violence. Certainly the acceptance of abortion contributes to this lack of respect for human life. Also, the glorification of violence in many "acceptable" venues, such as some professional sports, is a factor. Personally I think the movies/video games are way down the list of contributing factors, but that is arguable I am sure. Parents who say, "Boys will be boys" when their son is a violent bully are making violence acceptable, in not overtly approved.<br /><br />America is an adolescent culture in many ways. We carry in our psyche the concept of rugged pioneers toughing it out on the prairies, Western lawmen shooting it out with the Bad Guys, and, just 165 years ago, our own Civil War. As an immature culture, we tend to cling to the concept of violence as a way of life, as a way we MUST live in order to survive. Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69711442783775226282019-08-05T09:37:36.255-04:002019-08-05T09:37:36.255-04:00With regard to the mass shootings, perhaps the med...With regard to the mass shootings, perhaps the media could enlighten us on the background of the parents---were they active churchgoers? Did they monitor their sons' social media? On guns, better background checks? Limits on certain types of weapons and magazines? Why do these things happen here and not in most other countries?<br /><br />Hopefully there won't be an outcry from death penalty opponents about Texas seeking the death penalty for the El Paso shootings. If ever there was a case for the ultimate penalty being implemented.....<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49317369040692433972019-08-05T08:13:40.012-04:002019-08-05T08:13:40.012-04:00The 1997 interdicasterial Instruction 'on cert...The 1997 interdicasterial Instruction 'on certain questions relating to the collaboration of the non-ordained faithful in the sacred ministry of priest' expressly forbids 'deacons and non-ordained faithful' to use gestures or actions which 'are proper to the priest celebrant' (Article 6, Section 2). I have yet to see a priest adopt the Moslem palms-up gesture or the 'beachball' posture, so presumably these are licit. The same would apply to holding hands, although this doesn't happen over here, and in certain circumstances might constitute assault - what if I'm standing next to a 12-year-old of either sex?<br /><br />If I'm singing a familiar piece (Asperges, Vidi Aquam, Credo I or III, Pater Noster etc.) I keep my hands by my sides, as this is the best posture for singing. When wearing a blazer my hands are in the pockets, thumbs forward, in the manner of Royal Navy officers in 1950s war movies, played by the likes of Jack Hawkins and Kenneth More. Should anyone try to hold my hand they will be treated to the Anglo-Saxon version of 'noli me tangere'.<br /><br /><br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60692004516134123872019-08-04T20:48:07.293-04:002019-08-04T20:48:07.293-04:00Anonymous ,
Please explain why Father McDonald’s ...Anonymous ,<br /><br />Please explain why Father McDonald’s attitude worries you. Concrete examples please, no “dump and run” like MTTJMnoreply@blogger.com