tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8365800049091640077..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IN 1965 POPE BLESSED PAUL VI WAS STILL HIGH ON THE DRUG LIKE EUPHORIA OF THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AND CATHOLIC TRIUMPHALISM WAS AT ITS ZENITH--ALL THIS WOULD COME DOWN CRASHING IN ABOUT THREE YEARS, 1968Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2879264964386708852018-08-11T06:41:29.287-04:002018-08-11T06:41:29.287-04:00Victor, I agree to a point. But, I believe the sec...Victor, I agree to a point. But, I believe the secular wave is a much stronger underlying current that will continue to sweep us along into God knows what. I hope that all of you who think there will be a return to the "normal Church" and traditional liturgy are correct, but I am not that optimistic.Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59134569766961630522018-08-10T18:21:59.448-04:002018-08-10T18:21:59.448-04:00Agree with the thrust of TJM's comment. Then ...<br />Agree with the thrust of TJM's comment. Then and now, people are/were as active or, passive as they choose/chose to be. At least then, most attended even if some material percentage was lighting candles, reading prayers, praying the rosary or, enjoying 60-90 minutes of restful peace from their hectic lives. The fact of the matter is, they felt compelled to be there. Now, they don't. But, hey, let's continue to push the reformist agenda while at the same time, canonizing those who brought about this institutional and spiritual collapse. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18515052938581970492018-08-10T16:45:48.563-04:002018-08-10T16:45:48.563-04:00This Conciliar euphoria is very puzzling to me, an...This Conciliar euphoria is very puzzling to me, and I have usually thought of it as the extension of the end of World War II euphoria, the idea of a new world order that will bring long lasting peace through nuclear standoffs between the major powers. Perhaps I am wrong, but it is just that major wars have always changed the worldviews of a society. Morally, we had that celebration through permissiveness following WW1 for a number of years, until the depression brought back reality. Marilyn Monroe became active immediately following WW2. The war in Viet Nam brought in the sexual revolution. People had enough of the ugliness of wars, and wanted to celebrate their present. <br /><br />If true, one can view V2 as a product of its times, pretty outdated now, especially its new liturgy. Despite what Francis of the WW2 generation says, we need to go back to the regular Church of the ages, not the exceptional post WW2 euphoric Church. Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25218326951736720772018-08-10T16:28:19.389-04:002018-08-10T16:28:19.389-04:00"Passivity" at Mass? I could sing 5 Lati..."Passivity" at Mass? I could sing 5 Latin Ordinaries by heart at the age of 10 and we SANG the propers in a simple psalm tone for our school's daily Mass. I guess Paul VI didn't get around much. On the other hand "Gather Us In" has chased a lot of people out!TJMnoreply@blogger.com