tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8110327088980759449..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THE POPE'S TEEN MASS! IS IT A MODEL FOR PARISHES AND THEIR TEEN MASSES???????Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84133672570117179272016-04-26T17:29:44.240-04:002016-04-26T17:29:44.240-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88011275938623603052016-04-25T16:55:53.476-04:002016-04-25T16:55:53.476-04:00Dialogue,
You know, I was hoping that everyone wh...Dialogue,<br /><br />You know, I was hoping that everyone who supported Trump was being sarcastic, but it turns out they're serious.<br /><br />In other words, it is difficult to know what's possible these days.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7511220304964473882016-04-25T16:45:05.002-04:002016-04-25T16:45:05.002-04:00Marc,
Anonymous is being sarcastic. Marc,<br /><br />Anonymous is being sarcastic. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50069410400685480752016-04-25T15:58:37.116-04:002016-04-25T15:58:37.116-04:00Marc,
I loved your last sentence. Strange how the...Marc,<br /><br />I loved your last sentence. Strange how the Pope doesn't recognize his own shortcomings but is quick on the draw to point out the shortcomings of others! TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61530590004816304132016-04-25T15:49:46.840-04:002016-04-25T15:49:46.840-04:00Dialogue, simply stating that "even Archbisho...Dialogue, simply stating that "even Archbishop Lefebvre acknowledged the legitimacy of vernacular rites" tends to negate what appears to be your subsequent attempt to argue based on classical logic and rhetoric. The saintly archbishop is not the sine qua non of tradition. And he said many different things over a very long period of time -- especially on the subject of the Mass, his position developed as is evidenced by the changing rites used at the seminary in Econe.<br /><br />Anyway, one cannot doubt the legitimacy of vernacular rites considering their history and prevalence in the East. One can doubt the legitimacy of using the vernacular in the Latin Rite considering their lack of history and condemnation by ecumenical council in the West.<br /><br />We already have a pope who speaks and acts like Donald Trump -- off the cuff, with a heavy dose of nonsensical rhetoric, and lots of name-calling. We need a pope who speaks and acts like a pope.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11779476253228155222016-04-25T14:35:21.377-04:002016-04-25T14:35:21.377-04:00Anonymous,
We already have a Savior, Jesus Christ...Anonymous,<br /><br />We already have a Savior, Jesus Christ. <br />The EF Mass can already be celebrated by every priest of the Latin Rite, so there's no need to call for its return. <br />John Nolan simply shared his experiences, without claiming everyone else should share them.<br />As for Mass being in Italian, even Archbishop Lefebvre acknowledged the legitimacy of vernacular rites. <br />Have you ever studied classical logic and rhetoric? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5756945887156726762016-04-25T14:16:36.835-04:002016-04-25T14:16:36.835-04:00Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional....Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional....gobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63945089052204971442016-04-25T12:34:01.832-04:002016-04-25T12:34:01.832-04:00Gob, you have my number. Some people, like me, are...Gob, you have my number. Some people, like me, are born old; others have old age thrust upon them..https://www.blogger.com/profile/07694888830782133071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71891376984008453592016-04-25T12:06:18.395-04:002016-04-25T12:06:18.395-04:00gob,
Look in the mirror if you truly want to see ...gob,<br /><br />Look in the mirror if you truly want to see a pompous, arrogant, insufferable adult.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11694782493340233022016-04-25T11:49:54.262-04:002016-04-25T11:49:54.262-04:00I do believe that there may be some here (no names...I do believe that there may be some here (no names please) who were likely never children or teens at all, but emerged from their mothers' wombs as the pompous, arrogant, insufferable adults that they remain today. Rather than crying to be fed or changed, they chanted Latin Ordinaries... gobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62681682636833261242016-04-25T09:26:26.506-04:002016-04-25T09:26:26.506-04:00The truth be known, it is the adult juvenile delin...The truth be known, it is the adult juvenile delinquents who get their jollies from planning and implementing "Teen Masses." I suspect the Jewish People did no hold "Teen Temple Services" because they treat their teens with respect, rather than infantalizing them. I could chant 5 Latin Ordinaries by the time I was 10 (it wasn't too hard, Bishop Trautman).TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46330280358255525462016-04-25T09:17:22.139-04:002016-04-25T09:17:22.139-04:00My "problem" with teen life Masses is th...My "problem" with teen life Masses is that it caters to an age cohort in patronizing terms - rather than introducing them to adult worship. <br /><br />Suppose some kid really gets into Lifeteen liturgies...will they be prepared to incorporate into adult liturgy? No. We will have trained them to only be Lifeteen Catholics and thus the cultural balkanization continues apace. Jusadbellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12074710079091981492016-04-25T05:32:38.214-04:002016-04-25T05:32:38.214-04:00I think there's room for 'teen masses'...I think there's room for 'teen masses', but I also think liturgists and well-meaning parish staff can be very condescending when it comes to teens and children. I've lost track of how many times I've heard such folks say things like 'we need upbeat, happy songs for children', as if kids are only capable of responding to purple dinosaurs. Trouble is, a lot of those songs are pretty weak on doctrine--'Shine, Jesus, Shine' comes to mind. Whereas old standards like 'Holy, Holy, Holy' actually teach something--if the child doesn't understand what the words mean when he's six, he will when he's sixteen, and they'll stay with him a lifetime.<br /><br />The strongest thing these happy clappy masses offer, like the Novus Ordo itself, is the capacity to startle, to make you look at things from a new perspective. When they become the norm rather than the exception (like the NO) they lose that property.Tony Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10862727279147129707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73541878858204767142016-04-24T23:57:52.207-04:002016-04-24T23:57:52.207-04:00We need a Pope who speaks and acts like our next P...We need a Pope who speaks and acts like our next President Donald J. Trump. A Pope who does not care what people think and tells it like it is, starting off by saying I am putting the lid on the Novus Ordo Mass and implementing the return of the Traditional Latin Mass immediately. People want a return to law and order Trump will do this and our next Pope will also, long live the TLM!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65024804097094001952016-04-24T20:00:35.542-04:002016-04-24T20:00:35.542-04:00The irony is that traditional Catholics are having...The irony is that traditional Catholics are having the most children, so the Pope is appealing to a dying audience. PatheticTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12456369407977721412016-04-24T16:18:35.124-04:002016-04-24T16:18:35.124-04:00All the world MUST be as it was when John Nolan wa...All the world MUST be as it was when John Nolan was an eight year old newbie acolyte.<br /><br />Nothing can be changed . . . nothing can be added.<br /><br />Everyone must have the same experiences John Nolan had as an eight year old. If he was conscious of participating in something that was not just 'grown up' but terribly important, all eight year old must perceive the Mass and the world in the same way.<br /><br />Nothing can be changed . . . nothing can be added.<br /><br />If there is change, then it must be condemned. Those who propose such change or bring it about must be written off as puerile, pathetic, contemptible, and superficial.<br /><br />"Stop The World I Want To Get Off" is nothing more than a pipe dream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9259484581077254532016-04-24T16:17:19.951-04:002016-04-24T16:17:19.951-04:00Mass was in Italian, makes no sense but nothing do...Mass was in Italian, makes no sense but nothing does in Rome since the Council. Please Holy Ghost send us a savior who will return the Traditional Latin Mass to the Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36417056442811575762016-04-24T16:11:07.193-04:002016-04-24T16:11:07.193-04:00Once again the product of Vatican II, there is no ...Once again the product of Vatican II, there is no such thing as a TEEN MASS, it is called the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass and should be in the EF form.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72232736760741256252016-04-24T14:49:35.366-04:002016-04-24T14:49:35.366-04:00One potential problem with Masses for adolescents ...One potential problem with Masses for adolescents is that, like Newman Centers, they tend to attract emotionally immature adults.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34049687756325874932016-04-24T11:40:33.103-04:002016-04-24T11:40:33.103-04:00I started serving Mass in 1959, aged eight. There ...I started serving Mass in 1959, aged eight. There were no 'children's Masses' then, and I was conscious of participating in something that was not just 'grown up' but terribly important.<br /><br />I first attended a 'teen Mass' in 1968 when I was 17. Guitars, 'folk' hymns, a young 'right-on' priest who left the priesthood soon afterwards because he couldn't accept HV. I hated it. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.com