tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post7948967763937067257..comments2024-03-28T01:50:39.781-04:00Comments on southern orders: LITURGICAL ABUSE AND THE DEATH OF OUTRAGEFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90100531518262212372014-11-02T21:21:31.920-05:002014-11-02T21:21:31.920-05:00Any priest who takes it upon himself to pencil in ...Any priest who takes it upon himself to pencil in his own translations of words and word orders (striking out the approved printed words) and uses personal edits of the official Roman Missal in any liturgy should (if discovered) be getting a letter (or call) to come in and see his bishop. The bishop should make it very clear that this is an act of disobedience and liturgical abuse and is clearly not acceptable . . .Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34838187621895597842014-11-02T12:52:03.200-05:002014-11-02T12:52:03.200-05:00It's not that simple. The Novus Ordo came into...It's not that simple. The Novus Ordo came into effect in 1970. Before that we had lay readers, CITH (illicit but widespread), pop music in church, 'communion tables', an all-vernacular Mass (the barbarous pre-2011 translation of the Canon was introduced in 1967), polyester vestments et al. Forty-odd years later and I can attend a Novus Ordo Mass which has none of the above. All Saints Day, for example, has the same Propers (plus one extra lesson) as in the Old Rite, and the chant is unchanged.<br /><br />44 years into the Novus OrdoJohn Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43576405581815216052014-11-02T11:06:05.928-05:002014-11-02T11:06:05.928-05:00Yes I concure the "man made" Novus Ordo ...Yes I concure the "man made" Novus Ordo service will die out along with the aging hippies i.e. priests, nuns, bishops, lay people. Let's see, in the Novus Ordo we have communion in the hand, hand holding, clapping, folk music, rock music, dancing girls, lesbian nuns, giant puppets, dinner table in the middle, drums, tamborines, polyester vestments, ugly churches, altar girls, lay lectors, improper dress, the Saints would never recognize what this "stage show" is. Now to the TLM, we have,altar of sacrifice, kneeling for communion, Latin, Gregorian chant, stunning vestments to please God, silence, modest dress, Mozart, Palastrina, altar boys, packed seminaries of the F.S.S.P., S.S.P.X., Institute of Christ the King. This is why the "man made" Novus Ordo will die out soon. And if the Holy Ghost chooses - our next Holy Father His Grace Cardinal Raymond Burke who will we raised to our altars as the man who saved Holy Mother Church from ruin. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59377732489192192382014-11-02T08:32:52.710-05:002014-11-02T08:32:52.710-05:00Jan is spot on. Thought came to me this morning th...Jan is spot on. Thought came to me this morning that Vatican II and the NO were an attempt to prevent schism and may have had the effect of damaging the Church more than allowing it to split would have done. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20972623468370653432014-11-02T06:20:24.940-05:002014-11-02T06:20:24.940-05:00Personally, Father, I believe the Novus Ordo Mass ...Personally, Father, I believe the Novus Ordo Mass will die a natural death, simply because it does not offer the spirituality of the Extraordinary Form Latin Mass. Numbers attending the Novus Ordo Mass are dropping all the time and parishes are closing down. Who, by the turn of the century will be left to offer the Novus Ordo Mass or to attend it? How many revisions does it need? Easier to return to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass which is growing, albeit slowly, but those who attend it are in the main committed Catholics which can't be said of those who attend the Novus Ordo by and large.<br /><br />I attend a Novus Ordo Sunday Mass simply because I would have to drive over two hours to the nearest EF Latin Mass. The Mass I attend is the best available locally and said by a very good priest who also says to the EF Latin Mass one day midweek. But there is just no comparison. Once upon a time I was happy with the Novus Ordo Mass said properly but it seems to me the heart has been torn out of it and we have an outline of what the Mass is supposed to be.<br /><br />Bishop Athanasius Schneider sums up what he sees as the problem - the five liturgical wounds he calls them: Mass versus populum. Communion in the hand. The Novus Ordo Offertory prayers. Disappearance of Latin in the Ordinary Form. Liturgical services of lector and acolyte by women and ministers in lay clothing.<br /><br />I add to that: the sign of peace, the offertory procession and lay people distributing communion. The Novus Ordo Mass said in this manner is just too far removed from the EF Latin Mass and unfortunately I have to say that it just leaves me cold. I know it is a valid Mass that satisfies my obligation but I wouldn't be there if there was an alternative. If I hadn't had a strong Catholic upbringing from good Catholic nuns and priests I would be long gone - like so many others ...<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com