tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post759690590898745243..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: WHAT ARE THE "SOUND OF MIND AND HEART" SAYING ABOUT "PRAISED BE?" LAUDATO SIFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37887010872190578172015-06-24T08:01:47.221-04:002015-06-24T08:01:47.221-04:00I love Isaiah 1.I love Isaiah 1.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554830859411216515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81818324152366544532015-06-23T11:10:10.267-04:002015-06-23T11:10:10.267-04:00And the Pope's very poor choice of words is al...And the Pope's very poor choice of words is also influencing some of the priests' sermons. We have one priest talking about obese Catholics carrying the baggage of racism and that they will die, be judged and end in hell - offending some larger parishioners who were there for Mass; another priest offended people who were late for Mass by talking about latecomers who were slovenly, slobbish, slatterns, etc, etc; another sermon where people were told by the same priest that Catholics who were uncharitable might look like Catholics, might wear Catholic things but in reality they weren't Catholic. This very same priest having given a sermon the week before that we should tolerate things, even if they are wrong, for the sake of unity. Interestingly, this priest is Argentinian and a priest of the Opus Dei, so that speaks volumes I suppose. I honestly feel that the Church and the priesthood is being pulled down into the mire by this type of language. I would be interested to know if other people have heard these types of sermons recently.<br /><br />However, one never hears mention by these priests of people living in adultery, having abortions, etc, which the Church teaches are the things that cry out to God for vengence.<br /><br />I have never heard such sermons before only since this papacy and what Pope Francis has had to say about priests, nuns, lay people, etc, which are summed up in the Little Book of Insults - an astounding array of very bad descriptors. Certainly I cannot remember any Popes using the kind of language we have heard over the past two years.<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48935421973364461282015-06-23T06:19:45.479-04:002015-06-23T06:19:45.479-04:00The NT is full of God's disgust with man and h...The NT is full of God's disgust with man and his sins. "Disgust" might not be the right word….righteous wrath may be better. You sound like one of those modernist Christians with a Jesus who "…leads men without sin, into a kingdom without judgement, through a Christ without a cross." Also, you write as if you believe the NT cancels out the OT. Wrong again. Anyway, ain't got time for your theological education. Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82240190506965653432015-06-22T21:19:29.115-04:002015-06-22T21:19:29.115-04:00Hey,Augustinian, you might want to re-read the NEW...Hey,Augustinian, you might want to re-read the NEW Testament. The LORD is not disgusted with anyone - prostitutes, tax collectors, lepers, etc. The LORD embraces them, consoles them, and, as he does to you, challenges them to turn away from their sins and be faithful to the Gospel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14073286686586417682015-06-22T16:37:09.411-04:002015-06-22T16:37:09.411-04:00Anonymous (are you the woman anonymous or the man ...Anonymous (are you the woman anonymous or the man acting like a woman anonymous?) You are correct about the Pope not knowing I exist…which is fine with me. Regarding your statement that God does not get disgusted with anyone, you might want to re-read the OT (heck, just read Amos) and check out Jesus in the Temple with the money changers. Oh, Matt. 24 is also pretty cool. Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39015388319629145102015-06-22T16:15:43.004-04:002015-06-22T16:15:43.004-04:00How do I know? The Pope doesn't know you exis...How do I know? The Pope doesn't know you exist. And the Lord is not disgusted with anyone, even those who offend Him through their words and actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27489662561766007602015-06-22T15:42:30.280-04:002015-06-22T15:42:30.280-04:00Anonymous, how do you know they are not disgusted ...Anonymous, how do you know they are not disgusted with me? You sound like a protestant universalist preacher. And, what has the story of Mary and Martha got to do with the Pope saying everybody in the defense industry is not a Christian? Sounds like you need to reference some of the teachings on false prophets instead.Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-92117441531799607792015-06-22T13:15:17.937-04:002015-06-22T13:15:17.937-04:00Well, the Pope and the One for whom he acts as Vic...Well, the Pope and the One for whom he acts as Vicar are not disgusted with you.<br /><br />Now, Martha, who do you think has chosen the better part?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69433756714913385052015-06-21T19:55:39.510-04:002015-06-21T19:55:39.510-04:00I posted above that the Pope said that anyone who ...I posted above that the Pope said that anyone who works for a defense industry is "not a Christian." Does he even understand the implications of what he is saying…that poor Joey Canipelli, high school educated and trying to support a wife and several kids, who gets a job as a clerk or warehouse worker in a Raytheon plant, is going to Hell because he works in a defense plant? I guess all those Americans who worked in defense plants during WW II are in Hell as well. Now, do not give me this BS about "oh, that is not what he meant…" It is the theological implications of what he, the Pope, said..who should damn well know better. I am completely disgusted with this man who, like Pater Ignotus, serves mainly as a reminder that Donatus was wrong.Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1161909470029933022015-06-21T18:46:10.695-04:002015-06-21T18:46:10.695-04:00The Pope threw some words at the ceiling
Something...The Pope threw some words at the ceiling<br />Something about earthly healing.<br />When asked why he did,<br />He said to be rid,<br />Of a strange anti-capitalist feeling.<br /><br />Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70550755121972322112015-06-21T15:30:59.101-04:002015-06-21T15:30:59.101-04:00Anonymous Boy
In the twelfth century popes tried ...Anonymous Boy<br /><br />In the twelfth century popes tried to ban the crossbow, an arms-control initiative which was doomed to failure. Eisenhower was arguably more 'conservative' than Kennedy but it was the latter who exploited a non-existent 'missile gap' to ratchet up the arms race. In any case, one doesn't base national security on papal encyclicals. John XXIII was no more an expert on nuclear strategy than is Francis on climate change.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-58957292454456063692015-06-21T08:31:07.714-04:002015-06-21T08:31:07.714-04:00John Nolan,
My eyes glazed over when I saw that.....John Nolan,<br /><br />My eyes glazed over when I saw that... like... what?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554830859411216515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30472475930643956832015-06-21T08:04:11.151-04:002015-06-21T08:04:11.151-04:00That article doesn't mention it, but the conse...That article doesn't mention it, but the conservatives' reaction was much the same to XXIII's "Pacem en Terris," written in 1963 after the Cuban missile crisis, which called for an end to the arms race and a ban on nuclear weapons and asked nations to agree on disarmament.<br /><br />I'm assuming that no Catholic politician was ever denied Communion for flouting "Pacem in Terris."Anonymous Boynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62023726336566061212015-06-21T07:58:55.198-04:002015-06-21T07:58:55.198-04:00http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122056/last-tim...http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122056/last-time-conservatives-dismissed-major-encyclical-it-ended-terribly<br /><br />For those of you following the reaction to the pope's encyclical and the history of popes mixing into politics, I recommend this fascinating article, which describes how American conservatives reacted to Pope John XXIII's "Mater and Magistrat."<br /><br />Much of this sound and fury will sound familiar. Here's the "boom" line: "One lesson from the Mater et Magistra contretemps is that almost all Catholics are cafeteria Catholics."<br /><br />"(William F.) Buckley’s feud with the Catholic left came to a boil when Pope John XXIII released the encyclical Mater et Magistra (Mother and Teacher) in 1961, which reaffirmed the church’s support for government welfare programs and coupled them with calls to fight poverty in the Third World and end colonialism. The anti-imperialism of Mater et Magistra was particularly repellent to National Review conservatives, who thought that European domination of Africa, the Middle East, and Asia was essential for fending off communism.<br /><br />In an angry editorial, National Review described Mater et Magistra as a “venture in triviality.” The magazine also published a joking note saying “Going the rounds in Catholic conservative circles, ‘Mater Si, Magistra no.’” (The joke was first made by Garry Wills, who was playing off a slogan of the Cuban Revolution: “Cuba si, Yanqui no.”)<br /><br />Catholic liberals responded in kind. America described the National Review editorial as “slanderous” and the Reverend William J. Smith characterized Buckley as a “hypercritical pigmy.”<br /><br />Buckley turned to his learned friend Garry Wills to work out a more theoretically satisfying response to liberal Catholics. A former seminarian, Wills tried to resolve the argument by writing a pioneering scholarly treatise on the nature of encyclicals, titled Politics and Catholic Freedom (1964). In this book, Wills argued that encyclicals are merely advisory, and not binding on specific policies.<br /><br />The Mater et Magistra dispute led to many ironic consequences. In defending National Review’s capitalist Catholicism, Buckley and Wills had provided a rationale for social liberals to ignore church teachings on sexual matters, which was especially pertinent after the Vatican released the encyclical Humanae Vitae (1968), reiterating opposition to birth control and abortion. Wills himself moved to the left in the late 1960s, breaking with Buckley over the Vietnam War and civil rights. About the core issue of the Mater et Magistra debate, Wills argued in his 1979 book Confessions of a Conservative that “[t]here is something about laissez-faire individualism that is historically at odds with Catholic tradition—but this is a matter not reachable by papal fiat or by those who challenge the sincerity of their fellow believer’s religion.”<br /><br />By the late 1960s, as Wills also noted, the two sides had flipped, with “‘liberals’ now denouncing encyclicals rather than using encyclicals to denounce others, ‘conservatives’ sticking with the Pope even when he had issued his disastrous encyclical on contraceptives.” One lesson from the Mater et Magistra contretemps is that almost all Catholics are cafeteria Catholics.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous Boynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14916534253339194552015-06-21T06:35:02.711-04:002015-06-21T06:35:02.711-04:00Yeah, Scalia says the earth is perfect. Has she re...Yeah, Scalia says the earth is perfect. Has she read the Bible lately?Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22580624537796415902015-06-21T04:42:51.842-04:002015-06-21T04:42:51.842-04:00Am I the only one to think that Elizabeth Scalia w...Am I the only one to think that Elizabeth Scalia writes pious-sounding twaddle? 'An invitation toward Incarnation' - what on earth is she on about? We're all incarnate, nicht wahr? The Incarnation (the Word made flesh) has already happened.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59932285873703556312015-06-20T20:44:04.521-04:002015-06-20T20:44:04.521-04:00Augustinian—
What I hate about attitudes like Vic...Augustinian—<br /><br />What I hate about attitudes like Victor's is that people just like him/her (we never who is a male or female these days) tell me that I'm wrong for wanting more from life than waking up every day to pick cotton and vegetables in the hot GA sun. Apparently, I should just accept that my state in life is good, and because other people have it worse than I do, I should never want anything more than to work from sun up to sun down in a hot climate.<br /><br />And yet... it's almost always people who've never had to do it—not because they want to—but because they have no other choice at the moment. I guess it's easy to talk about living a third world lifestyle when you get to make that choice, because you can always decide it's not worth it and go back to having a first-world way of life.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554830859411216515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76634354004410792442015-06-20T17:43:03.095-04:002015-06-20T17:43:03.095-04:00Victor, if you're going to direct a comment at...Victor, if you're going to direct a comment at me, you should mention my name.<br /><br />You say <i>Now some commenters are blaming everybody else for polluting the world except them selves after raping and pillaging the earth for centuries to become materially wealthy.</i><br /><br />Funny thing... I haven't been alive for centuries. Only 20 years. And, I'm not 'materially wealthy'. I own a teapot and tea cup, a rosary, an icon of Christ, a Breviary, a dip pen and ink, and a tea strainer. I also own a weeks worth of clothing. You could literally fit everything I own into one bag. The tin-roof house I live in (hey... here we go) doesn't have AC, and since we're farming folk, we grow our food. <br /><br />Do you grow your own food? Do you have AC? Could your life fit into a bag?<br /><br />Either you live a similarly spartan lifestyle, or you don't. If not, it's not my problem is it? I have zero power to force such a lifestyle upon others.<br /><br />(And, PS, I'm not Catholic, so terms like 'the heresy of Americanism' don't mean anything to me.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554830859411216515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7271295826293411272015-06-20T16:49:33.393-04:002015-06-20T16:49:33.393-04:00I am still reading the encyclical and hope to fini...I am still reading the encyclical and hope to finish it before the end of the weekend. Clearly I am not open-minded enough, unlike some people who have commented on this thread. They are so open-minded the encyclical falls straight through without stopping. Presumably there is nothing there to catch it.Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50103672567361285592015-06-20T16:13:22.730-04:002015-06-20T16:13:22.730-04:00Scientific consensus contradicts the actual Vicar ...Scientific consensus contradicts the actual Vicar of ChristChristoph Rebnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15830544860936860495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84785002311744563522015-06-20T16:08:01.221-04:002015-06-20T16:08:01.221-04:00In my post to Militia above, it should read he was...In my post to Militia above, it should read he was "talking" to me. This dumb spell check is awful.Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75488727769159224412015-06-20T16:07:06.340-04:002015-06-20T16:07:06.340-04:00Vic, let's see…I guess you rent because owning...Vic, let's see…I guess you rent because owning property is elitist and deprives others of use of the land, you live in a sub-standard area of town because too do otherwise would be insensitive to the "poor," you surely walk or ride a bike everywhere…an old bike or a Wal Mart one because to spend money at a bike shop for a good one would be capitalist, I am sure you do not have AC, your clothes must certainly come from Goodwill because new ones are made in China and Thailand where labor conditions are deplorable, I hope you do not shower more than once or twice a week because being clean is a luxury of capitalist nations and it uses unnecessary water (but, there is hope for you because all those glaciers are melting and you will have more water to use), I know you eat at soup kitchens or other public venues because going to the grocery store is elitist and, besides, Kroger is air-conditioned, you cannot possibly own a gun because it is your duty as a Christian to allow yourself to be killed by those less fortunate than you so they can take and use your stuff for themselves…you seem well-educated (if naive) but, do you realize how much your education cost…money that could have been sent to the Red Cross or Unicef to buy bullets and weapons….er, stuff for Third World poor? Surely you do not own a TV, and you are sinning now by using your computer which probably cost a thousand bucks or so…well, maybe you are at Starbucks or some internet shop but, then, coffee is picked by the poor who are underpaid and abused in those Third World countries. Life is tough.Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57612254844565480202015-06-20T15:38:27.936-04:002015-06-20T15:38:27.936-04:00The Pope is writing to the WHOLE WORLD and condemn...The Pope is writing to the WHOLE WORLD and condemns the political and financial leaders for polluting the world and abusing the poor.<br /><br />Now....who are the world's leaders and what are their political ideology?<br /><br />Almost ALL governments on earth are SOCIALIST/LEFTIST and the global banks are decidedly not conservative/right wing. So the inescapable conclusion must be that the tree the Pope is barking up is not 'right-wing, conservative, tea-partier, acton-institute Catholic capitalism". <br /><br />We, the above right-wing coalition are the solution, not the problem since we don't rule the world and haven't been responsible for it's environmental and moral collapse. <br /><br />This is a call to arms and a call for 'dialogue' (which is more about us giving the worldly powers the terms of their surrender than terms of our surrender. <br /><br />Ours is the intellectual and moral highground while theirs is the raw political and financial power. We'll see who 'wins'.Jusadbellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68588007518801142582015-06-20T14:45:39.879-04:002015-06-20T14:45:39.879-04:00Many of us have to have 4000 lbs of steel to go to...Many of us have to have 4000 lbs of steel to go to Mass on Sundays because there are so few properly celebrated Masses available that we have to drive miles to find one that is celebrated with dignity and reverence.<br /><br />Lowering our standard of living will not help the poor in other countries. We dump more money into Third World cess pools than any nation and look at them. Their governments are corrupt and the money goes for Mercedes, Rolexes, and mistresses for the rulers. We are just plain stupid to keep doing it. It is because of Capitalism that many of these countries are as well off as they are.<br /><br />Hey, you live in the US…at the top of the economic and technological food chain. Deal with it...Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62089388451860972782015-06-20T14:31:14.462-04:002015-06-20T14:31:14.462-04:00Militia, I think he was falling about me. He needs...Militia, I think he was falling about me. He needs to work on antecedents and you need to understand contexts.Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.com