tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post7423325271416851668..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IS THERE A WAY TO PRAISE BOTH THE EF AND THE OF WITHOUT DENIGRATING EITHER?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62578672267139488742021-12-03T14:20:49.649-05:002021-12-03T14:20:49.649-05:00The Pope should be saying this, not Cardinal Mulle...The Pope should be saying this, not Cardinal Muller, although I am glad he did:<br /><br />"Some politicians, mainstream media and Big Tech have “ruthlessly exploited” COVID-19 to promote “totalitarian thinking” that has even led to division within families, Cardinal Gerhard Müller has observed. <br /><br />In a Dec. 1 email interview with the Register, the prefect emeritus of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith also said that the response of some bishops and priests to close churches or deny the sacraments is a “grave sin” that goes against their “God-given authority.” TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69443640834391306302021-12-02T14:15:21.808-05:002021-12-02T14:15:21.808-05:00What if Vatican 2 was not a revolution, but a coun...What if Vatican 2 was not a revolution, but a counter-revolutionary event? What if the Spirit of the Council is fighting a loosing battle? Custos Traditionis being just the latest salvo in this reactionary campaign in a desperate attempt to justify. Some predict the next assault will be on priestly societies exclusively devoted to the TLM.<br /><br />Read at Settimo Cielo blog the latest posting: “The Church and the secular after the pandemic.” by Sandro Magister In part it reads:<br /><br />...The pontificates of John Paul II and Benedict XVI set out to save the best fruits not only of Vatican II, but also of the Enlightenment, against the increasingly individualistic, relativistic, and ultimately nihilistic drift of the new culture. There was something “Kantian,” as well as of Christian probity, in the absoluteness of moral principles and in the centrality of reason preached by Joseph Ratzinger.....<br /><br />..."The proponents of hypermodernity are convinced they have the world in their hands. Who knows, however, whether they are like the pagans of the late empire or the scholastic philosophers of the early modern age, unable to see that there can come even today, as back then, a paradigm shift, a new “metaphysical mutation,” a decisive vaccine."...<br /><br />.....Hence the importance of keeping the Christian heritage intact, in order to be able to critically re-propose it in the modern empire, and to regenerate it. From the teaching of the first Christians and the Fathers of the Church."...<br /><br />I close with Fr Z's favorite admonition: Save the Liturgy, Save the World!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14573896785630162645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29959880087143050492021-12-02T09:19:28.056-05:002021-12-02T09:19:28.056-05:00I cant't help thinking that form follows, deri...I cant't help thinking that form follows, derives from Faith and not otherwise. The EF has emerged during those centuries when Faith was strongest, before secular ways of thinking contaminated theology passed down from apostolic times. The 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th century Popes saw the danger coming and tried to head off the situation we find ourselves today. We know2 now that they were not very successful. The question now is whom do we follow the Council of Trent or the "Spirit of the Council" Vatican 2? Romano Guardini or Bugnini? Benedict XVI or Pope Francis?<br /><br />We know that the way we pray is the ways we believe. We know that the Church is wrecked by relativist thinking and behaving. Shameful matters are on display in Vatican court rooms. We have criminals in the Church or we would not have had the scandals of McCarrick, the German Synod, Pacha-mama, Fr. Martin and others. We find also that the worst elements want to destroy the EF as they perceive it to be a strong obstacle against the forces of secular modernity.<br /><br />Reconciling the NO and the EF through formalistic efforts is doomed to failure. It is a defeatist exercise. One must struggle for what one believes to be the truth.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14573896785630162645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8936222658795398282021-12-01T20:37:42.423-05:002021-12-01T20:37:42.423-05:00I have been working all day and am mentally and em...I have been working all day and am mentally and emotionally exhausted. I am now ready to offer something positive about the OF: it is an effective bridge for people from whatever current place they are in their Faith journey to where hundreds of saints lead us. For most European culture and languages the Latin and tiny amount of Greek gives us an efficient view to the forms of the concepts that is condensed from out native languages. For people not from an Indo-European rooted language they can skip directly to the concepts, which is a distinct advantage. <br /><br />If the NO had been created as an intermediate step between the captured concepts and the lengthy explanitory translations it would be flourishing. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-64315504941258801452021-12-01T16:34:23.310-05:002021-12-01T16:34:23.310-05:00John Nolan,
The word “niggardly” created quite a ...John Nolan,<br /><br />The word “niggardly” created quite a stir many years ago when a finance in person in Washington, DC (idiot central) used it correctly. Some ignoramus on the City Council (Democrat, of course) screamed racism!TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47618414189514248872021-12-01T15:26:02.868-05:002021-12-01T15:26:02.868-05:00Latin is not a 'dead language'. Fr Guy Nic...Latin is not a 'dead language'. Fr Guy Nicholls of the Birmingham Oratory has pointed out that Latin was being spoken in Britain before Julius Caesar ever set foot on this island in 55 BC, and since then not a day has gone by when Latin has not been spoken here. Latin hymns for the Office were being written in the 20th century.<br /><br />'Ex opere operato' is an important principle, but to say it was developed as a result of 'horrible abuses' of the Tridentine Mass is arrant nonsense. What evidence do you have of these 'horrible abuses'?<br /><br />You are like Mark Thomas (whatever happened to him?) positing a form of dualism of the 'left' and the 'right' which ends up as a sort of Hegelian dialectic. Thesis: the old Mass. Antithesis: the new Mass. Synthesis: the Ordinariate missal - an idealized via media which apes parts of the Roman Rite (but only as an option) and delivers them in mock-Tudor English. It won't wash, and you know it.<br /><br />By the way, I'm surprised that the word 'denigrate' has not been cancelled by the woke thought police. But then the Left is probably ignorant of etymology, as evidenced by some idiot objecting to the word 'niggardly'.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75728670184085397942021-12-01T14:58:03.156-05:002021-12-01T14:58:03.156-05:00Re point #
Jesus gave us a very short prayer: the...Re point #<br /><br />Jesus gave us a very short prayer: the Pater Noster.....if he wanted variety he would have said so.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14573896785630162645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12339490726170108732021-12-01T14:17:23.711-05:002021-12-01T14:17:23.711-05:00Father McDonald,
LOL - well if the Exorcism was f...Father McDonald,<br /><br />LOL - well if the Exorcism was from the old Rituale it just might work.<br /><br />I see the “options” as a huge problem particularly if the Church is moving toward one form of the Latin Rite. As you yourself have stated, going from parish to parish and priest to priest one can have a radically different experience. My pastor has wisely chosen to use the Roman Canon exclusively on Sundays and major feasts. By the way, the Roman Canon is inclusive of women so the old canard about the Church being “sexist” is absurb.<br /><br />The only positive with the OF is the dismissal rite. Cheers! TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80128458271944019502021-12-01T13:25:18.678-05:002021-12-01T13:25:18.678-05:00I publicly confess to being a denigrator of the mo...I publicly confess to being a denigrator of the modern Mass. I confess it is valid, because the majesterium says so. I know it could be presented in a respectful way and that is done in a variety of places. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-58873100325087269292021-12-01T11:09:44.080-05:002021-12-01T11:09:44.080-05:00You're breaking the rule of this post--be posi...You're breaking the rule of this post--be positive, think positive, don't denigrate and ask the Holy Spirit to vanquish/exorcise/deliver the evil negative spirits that prompt your negativity. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73014989915787994572021-12-01T10:58:40.934-05:002021-12-01T10:58:40.934-05:00Point 2 is the problem in a nutshellPoint 2 is the problem in a nutshellTJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.com