tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post7204428826415227118..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: I AGREE WITH THE PREFECT FOR THE CONGREGATION OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH'S EVALUATION OF THE LITURGICAL REFORMS OF VATICAN IIFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36929405922497143722013-12-13T10:39:02.307-05:002013-12-13T10:39:02.307-05:00In Archbishop Mueller's former cathedral in Re...In Archbishop Mueller's former cathedral in Regensburg there is a magnificent and famous high altar with a frontal of solid silver. This is no longer used and some way in front of it is a freestanding fixed altar of the cuboid shape which is fashionable on the continent (cf ND de Paris and most other French cathedrals). The famous choir (the Domspatzen, which Mgr Georg Ratzinger directed for many years) position themselves in front of the old high altar facing the nave. This means they are clearly heard, but does tend to make the Mass into something of a concert.<br /><br />In Germany and Austria the forward altar is referred to as the 'Volksaltar' and in many baroque churches is often a moveable and even a gimcrack structure. The guidebook will dwell on the artistic and liturgical significance of the baroque altar without mentioning the fact that it isn't in fact used.<br /><br />Last year I visited Rheims cathedral, where French kings were traditionally crowned. There is the old high altar, an elaborate baroque structure which has not been used for forty-odd years, and the current altar, a modern cube. Both look out of place in a Gothic cathedral.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87812962782707201542013-12-12T21:21:58.739-05:002013-12-12T21:21:58.739-05:00rcg, God IS on the table - the incarnate Second Pe...rcg, God IS on the table - the incarnate Second Person of the Trinity under the appearance/species/accidents of bread and wine duly consecrated by an ordained priest.<br /> - Ancil Payne18Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63663796957700389362013-12-12T18:28:37.512-05:002013-12-12T18:28:37.512-05:00I know it is not theological on any level, but I d...I know it is not theological on any level, but I do not like the idea of us surrounding the 'table' with God on it. To be clear: I don' like the idea of people even thinking that can be done. It leads us to think we can even conceive of our creator. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65942094601404379482013-12-12T11:32:17.627-05:002013-12-12T11:32:17.627-05:00"What the major problem with the post Vatican..."What the major problem with the post Vatican II Mass is not its order, its lectionary, its noble simplicity or its vernacular or facing the people."<br /><br />True, the real problem is the loss of the sense of the sacred that both motivated activist liturgists in imposing these changes, and which in the faithful has resulted from these changes. <br /><br />Granted that it's not a matter of OF or EF per se. But whatever on one's opinion on the theological issues, as a practical matter of fact, the sense of the sacred in ordinary parish life will not be restored until there is a recovery of historical orientation and gesture in the Mass.Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38984775045628680512013-12-12T08:05:29.502-05:002013-12-12T08:05:29.502-05:00When he criticizes "the accusation that versu...When he criticizes "the accusation that versus populum celebration" leaves the altar "without an opening to the transcendence of God", he criticizes the sentiments of the pope emeritus. We all know well the arguments for versus populum, and his suggestion that we do not is condescending. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2916057596972528522013-12-11T22:56:52.102-05:002013-12-11T22:56:52.102-05:00Insidious.Insidious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48419424007477102852013-12-11T18:31:26.345-05:002013-12-11T18:31:26.345-05:00The "mundane table" to which the Archbis...The "mundane table" to which the Archbishop refers is not the noble free-standing altar at which you, Fr Allan, celebrate the Mass. However, in Germany high altars have architectural merit which does not allow their destruction, and what is placed in front of them is frequently mundane; in many cases resembling a dining table. <br /><br />I cannot take them seriously, any more than I can take Rita Ferrone seriously. She is one of the silliest women I have ever had the misfortune to read.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.com