tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6874980744272271674..comments2024-03-28T11:36:20.629-04:00Comments on southern orders: TO KYRIE OR NOT TO KYRIE, THAT IS THE ELEISONFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43119650204304647282019-03-08T12:11:33.546-05:002019-03-08T12:11:33.546-05:00The last time I attended an OF Mass on Ash Wednesd...The last time I attended an OF Mass on Ash Wednesday was at the London Oratory circa 1985. I don't recall whether the Kyrie was sung, but a glance at the current music list suggests that it isn't; it gives the Sanctus and Agnus in a setting by Palestrina but doesn't mention the Kyrie. <br /><br />However, unless the rubrics have 'Kyrie omittitur' there is no reason why it should not be used. The Novus Ordo is by its very nature a protean rite with a plethora of options. I would be tempted to include the usual PA anyway, just to cover all bases. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39718208272990563552019-03-08T08:32:33.084-05:002019-03-08T08:32:33.084-05:00Father:
I have followed your example. We used it ...Father:<br /><br />I have followed your example. We used it on Wednesday. I will have the musician do it when we do a sprinkling rite in the future.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63737704931279060282019-03-08T07:12:53.872-05:002019-03-08T07:12:53.872-05:00It was not chanted at the papal Mass.It was not chanted at the papal Mass.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91216402239420799972019-03-08T07:07:02.927-05:002019-03-08T07:07:02.927-05:00Thank you John, but I don’t think it is chanted in...Thank you John, but I don’t think it is chanted in the OF in any parishes, but it should be.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25158647603538434792019-03-08T04:23:07.341-05:002019-03-08T04:23:07.341-05:00The Kyrie (GIRM 52) is separate from the Penitenti...The Kyrie (GIRM 52) is separate from the Penitential Act (GIRM 51). it is only omitted when option 3 of the PA is used, since this consists of what is in effect a troped Kyrie.<br /><br />The rite of Sprinkling may replace the PA 'from time to time' but only on Sundays. It does not include the Kyrie so is followed by it.<br /><br />Ash Wednesday is an anomaly since the blessing and imposition of ashes is regarded as a penitential act (although there is no general confession or absolution, so arguably it shouldn't be) and takes place after the Gospel. The interpolation of sacraments and sacramentals at this point in the Mass was first used in 1955 with the pedilavium on Maundy Thursday and in the 1960s was extended to include Baptism, Confirmation and Matrimony. <br /><br />So the Kyrie is sung in its usual place on Ash Wednesday.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1891449694182315882019-03-07T19:56:33.980-05:002019-03-07T19:56:33.980-05:00Completely agree, Father. The Kyrie should be an ...Completely agree, Father. The Kyrie should be an ordinary part of every mass, including celebratory ones like wedding masses. It's awkward not to have it, and it is not a vain repetion. It's never a bad thing to ask for mercy.Charles Gnoreply@blogger.com